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Matt Gerrans wrote: Please look up "your" and "literally." A web site cannot "literally scream."
Sorry, got carried away. Let's call it a fanatic's metaphor.
Matt Gerrans wrote: Ah, ha. I was wondering what product you were pedaling. I guess it is your religion.
And you, with every word that comes out of your mouth, are peddling yours. All of us are; some of us know it.
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The Grand Negus wrote: Matt Gerrans wrote:
Please look up "your" and "literally." A web site cannot "literally scream."
Sorry, got carried away. Let's call it a fanatic's metaphor.
 Looks like you still don't get it. It would be a metaphor without the "literally" part. With the "literally" in there, it is just a stupid sounding statement.
The Grand Negus wrote: Matt Gerrans wrote:
Ah, ha. I was wondering what product you were pedaling. I guess it is your religion.
And you, with every word that comes out of your mouth, are peddling yours. All of us are; some of us know it.
Oh, the old "I know you are but what am I?" defense.  That worked great in grammar school, didn't it? Time to move onto something more compelling, now, don't you think? Please point out to me exactly where I was offering up my irrational belief system. 
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The Grand Negus wrote: Are you saying I shouldn't express my opinions here because we've taken the time to develop an example application that embodies those opinions?
The problem with this is that if someone asks how to format a floppy, you don't tell them! You insist that formatting a floppy is flawed thinking and that they should take a look at your product and read your manifesto. All he wanted to do was format a frickin' floppy and you turn it into a discussion of your ideals and what's wrong with the computing world today.
If you want to do nothing but discuss your ideals, start your own discussion board or newsgroup.
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Since your reply does nothing other than critisize what you think is wrong with Microsoft, or some other product, then directs everyone to your "perfect" product, YES, this is blatant advertising.
If you just make some suggestions on how he might fix his problem, without throwing the product away in favor of yours, and keep the link in your sig, then there's no problem.
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: If you just make some suggestions on how he might fix his problem, without throwing the product away in favor of yours, and keep the link in your sig, then there's no problem.
The difficulty is that the problems are, for the most part, systemic. They can't be fixed with bandages and pain pills. Radical surgery is required, and that is all we have to offer. You can get less drastic (and less effective) remedies from all the other practitioners here. We're giving you the unwanted - but honest - diagnosis.
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You're frickin' joking, right?
Someone comes here and asks how to create an array of objects and you tell him to cut out the cancer that is Visual Studio .NET?? I'm not really clear on this... how does that solve his problem and get his project turned in?
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: how does that solve his problem and get his project turned in?
It doesn't solve his immediate problem - but it might give him a solution to a larger problem (being shackled to Visual Studio for years to come).
Consider: A guy is stopped on the road by a very beat-up clunker with a broken hose. You stop and lend him some duct tape. I come along and point him to a friend who will give him a good deal on a new vehicle. Now I think we've both done the guy a good turn; but you seem to think I've done something wrong.
When I used to see a certain kind of individual struggling with a certain kind of problem in my database design classes, I would recommend that that person seek out a different career. It did nothing to help with the immediate exercise, of course, but when the advice was taken, it invariably led to a happier outcome.
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The Grand Negus wrote: It doesn't solve his immediate problem
Then don't reply. If you're not going to help his with his immediate problem, what are you doing here?
BTW: I didn't even bother to read the read of your post. The first sentence pretty much made the rest pointless.
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Then don't reply. If you're not going to help his with his immediate problem, what are you doing here?
Helping with his larger problems.
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Whether or not he cares about the larger problem, huh??
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Whether or not he cares about the larger problem, huh??
Nice point. I frankly only care about the problem at hand and not the larger one.
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PaulC1972 wrote: I frankly only care about the problem at hand and not the larger one.
But as Yoda once said, "You will. You will."
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The Grand Negus wrote: But as Yoda once said, "You will. You will."
Well, I deal with it when the time comes :->
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PaulC1972 wrote: Well, I deal with it when the time comes
Agreed. "You will. You will."
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The Grand Negus wrote: Agreed. "You will. You will."
Cool and I'll shuffle it off to someone else 
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YAGNI! 
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Matt Gerrans wrote: YAGNI!
Ya' Ain't Gonna Need It.... YES!!!!
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Yoda earned his rank as Master. You self-appointed yours.
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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I've read the rest of your post, simply out of a morbid curiosity for your VERY flawed analogies...
The Grand Negus wrote: Consider: A guy is stopped on the road by a very beat-up clunker with a broken hose.
Funny, you've already judged his car without even having hit the brakes on your own yet. I don't see a guy with a beat up clunker. I see a guy whoses stranded because his car broke.
The Grand Negus wrote: I come along and point him to a friend who will give him a good deal on a new vehicle.
First, your new vehicle runs on something other than gasoline and I don't see too many alternative fuel stations around. Second, you have a vested interest in selling that car.
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: you've already judged his car without even having hit the brakes on your own yet
Better make sure your brakes work before judging the other car 
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: how does that solve his problem and get his project turned in?
Sticking to professional tools and not something that tries to communicate to the computer like it is HAL-9000 
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So long as it stays in the signature and doesn't spill in to the posts I don't have a problem with it.
I advertise developer events in my signature all the time (as you may have noticed). Scottish Developers are currently in the process of gearing up for next year so I've got a bit of a plea at the moment, (The last event I was advertising, until this morning, was Developer Day 4 - but the registration is now full and so is the stand-by list of 100) but when the event schedule starts to fill up for 2007 you'll see events.
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I don't know if you read the rest of this thread, but here's the problem.
Let's say the upcoming Scottish Developers Conference had as its primary theme "the overcomplexity and inefficiency of Microsoft development tools". Wouldn't it be hard to keep that thought from "spilling into" your posts? Wouldn't you be tempted to point out the connection when someone complained of complexity or inefficiency? And - even if you weren't - wouldn't the signature itself stand as a silent (and to many, an irritating) protest?
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The Grand Negus wrote: Wouldn't it be hard to keep that thought from "spilling into" your posts?
No. For example. On November 2nd Scottish Developers held an event with Ed Gibson (ex-FBI agent and now Microsoft's Chief Security Advisor). That was advertised in my signature for about 2 months. I point out security problems in the programming forums, but I challenge you to find one post where I said "You have a security problem - why not attend this event it will help you get a better understanding" unless the other person EXPLICITLY brought up the subject. (And even then it's only happened about two or three times in as many years)
The Grand Negus wrote: Wouldn't you be tempted to point out the connection when someone complained of complexity or inefficiency?
No. Not really - but then for the last event I organised we had to turn people away because the Health and Safety lot would have thrown a fit.
The Grand Negus wrote: And - even if you weren't - wouldn't the signature itself stand as a silent (and to many, an irritating) protest?
Well, if my response was "See sig" and left it at that then yes. But if I answered the question without commenting on the event then I don't think anyone's had a problem with that.
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hi Colin please take this to soapbox or lounge and i don't think this Troll[^] have the right to just spoil the environment
thanks
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