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Dario Solera wrote: And what's the difference between college and university?
Size and scope. Most universities are actually a collection of colleges/schools/departments. My last degree was from the University of Illinois / The College of Engineering / Theoretical and Applied Mechanics Department.
My daughter goes to Stephen F. Austin State University. She in in the College of xxx (She just changed major, so not sure right now  )
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 Loans diverts the focus from study to how to acquire money and be wealthy, Instead of instilling the value of study to uplift the society, it infilterates the feeling of value for money to suck out of every possibility and opportunity available.
It steals the essence and objective !!!
deque
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Hehe, how roght you are!
deque wrote: Instead of instilling the value of study to uplift the society
There are many reasons to study.
- want to uplift yourself and/or the society
- want to know as much as possible
- plan to work in science/development and change the world instead of waiting for changes
- ...
But today the most frequent reason is "more money, right from the first working day".
Knowledge itself seems to loose value, it becomes a tool for making money.
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"Most of us have had one, have one, or are about to get one."
Apparently that's an untrue assumption. Although the sample size is small, it seems at first glance that programmers are less likely to borrow money for school than doctors or lawyers, and far more likely to pay the loans back.
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I can think of nothing worse than having to pay off a student loan for 5 or 10 years after you finish studying.
Talk about demotivating. 
Cheers,
Simon
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SimonS wrote: I can think of nothing worse than having to pay off a student loan for 5 or 10 years after you finish studying.
How about 30 years for a house? 
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I can vouch for that...! 
Peace!
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SimonS wrote: I can think of nothing worse
really ? i can think of a hundred things that are far worse.
it was pretty much no big deal at all for me. within a few years after graduation, i was making enough to pay them off early. that's one nice thing about programming jobs - they pay well.
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Roger Wright wrote: Although the sample size is small, it seems at first glance that programmers are less likely to borrow money for school than doctors or lawyers
Sure, you can learn to program at home, even as a child, as I guess a lot of the people who visit CP have done. Would you hire a doctor or lawyer who "taught them selves how to operate/litigate"? We can not make a fair comparison of the professions.
Roger Wright wrote: and far more likely to pay the loans back
That is completely unacceptable. I wish we could know which ones were in default, I know I would not go to that person for treatment or advice. It is part of the total package, you take a loan with a commitment to repay, and then you do not repay. That is a character issue with me.
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Had three jobs at the same time for a while. A good night's sleep meant 5 whopping hours. Needless to say, I slept most of my weekends.
For my master's degree, I worked as a university teacher. Got 100% pay, for 50% teaching and 50% research. I found that to be a sweet deal, eventhough the deal meant more like 60% + 70% rather than 50% + 50%.
I'm happy I had to work my butt off; I think I developed character, and I know I can pull through shitloads of work.
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I got a job and paid my own way.
Sure, it wasn't an ivy league college, but they're overrated anyways. They all pretty much teach the same stuff, just some are in better class rooms.
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Over here in Sweden there is only a minor charge for joining the student union (about $15). Other then that you have to pay for books, somewhere to live and maybe something to eat...
...and I stayed at my parents so no loan
It sounds kind of nice now, but parents can be really annoying!!
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I took a loan in 1989 when I started University, but but the time I needed to pay it back the Inflation[^] struck, so I was free of debt by the time I finished.
You wouldn't believe the inflation rate in Yugoslavia in 1993 - if you didn't spend the money the same day you got it, the next day it was worthless.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: You wouldn't believe the inflation rate in Yugoslavia in 1993 - if you didn't spend the money the same day you got it, the next day it was worthless.
Unbelievable Inflation rising by 100% every day, I don't know how people survived that.
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Sames as Eastern Germany pre 1990.
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S. Senthil Kumar wrote: I don't know how people survived that
Black market and German Mark
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...I'll make sure that I can afford the fee without any loan.
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Corinna John wrote: I'll make sure that I can afford the fee without any loan.
Heck, they should be paying you to teach their courses on crypto.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: they should be paying you to teach their courses on crypto
I'll second that!
- Malhar
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... and that about sums it up.
The programming classes I took were a joke. No real world practicality.
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I believe, a good fundamental knowledge about networks, computer organisation and math etc. is very advantageously in programming and an IT college is the best way to get them... 
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In other words: An IT college should teach networking, organisation and math. Not programming.
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Hehe... You are joking... I belive you have read over the "etc.". I mean also programming (OOP, OOD), principles of electrical engineering and digital technology...
Certainly, it depends on the IT- College and the branch of study, but generally you get a fundamental knowledge about this great sciences...
In my opinion, it's is the best way to understand this little white box that we called PC (from the basic units until to sequential logic system)...
Ok, it's possible that anybody asks me in the next time: Does i really need all this background knowledge to become a good programmer?
The answer of this question isn't easy but i'm sure that a good IT- Student that haves (f.e. an "Master" degree in applied computer science can solve complex problems faster and more efficent then a non graduate programmer...
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Hey you guys who voted me down without any reason!
Would you please post a reply?
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