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SimonS wrote: I can think of nothing worse
really ? i can think of a hundred things that are far worse.
it was pretty much no big deal at all for me. within a few years after graduation, i was making enough to pay them off early. that's one nice thing about programming jobs - they pay well.
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Roger Wright wrote: Although the sample size is small, it seems at first glance that programmers are less likely to borrow money for school than doctors or lawyers
Sure, you can learn to program at home, even as a child, as I guess a lot of the people who visit CP have done. Would you hire a doctor or lawyer who "taught them selves how to operate/litigate"? We can not make a fair comparison of the professions.
Roger Wright wrote: and far more likely to pay the loans back
That is completely unacceptable. I wish we could know which ones were in default, I know I would not go to that person for treatment or advice. It is part of the total package, you take a loan with a commitment to repay, and then you do not repay. That is a character issue with me.
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Had three jobs at the same time for a while. A good night's sleep meant 5 whopping hours. Needless to say, I slept most of my weekends.
For my master's degree, I worked as a university teacher. Got 100% pay, for 50% teaching and 50% research. I found that to be a sweet deal, eventhough the deal meant more like 60% + 70% rather than 50% + 50%.
I'm happy I had to work my butt off; I think I developed character, and I know I can pull through shitloads of work.
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I got a job and paid my own way.
Sure, it wasn't an ivy league college, but they're overrated anyways. They all pretty much teach the same stuff, just some are in better class rooms.
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Over here in Sweden there is only a minor charge for joining the student union (about $15). Other then that you have to pay for books, somewhere to live and maybe something to eat...
...and I stayed at my parents so no loan 
It sounds kind of nice now, but parents can be really annoying!!
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I took a loan in 1989 when I started University, but but the time I needed to pay it back the Inflation[^] struck, so I was free of debt by the time I finished.
You wouldn't believe the inflation rate in Yugoslavia in 1993 - if you didn't spend the money the same day you got it, the next day it was worthless.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: You wouldn't believe the inflation rate in Yugoslavia in 1993 - if you didn't spend the money the same day you got it, the next day it was worthless.
Unbelievable Inflation rising by 100% every day, I don't know how people survived that.
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S. Senthil Kumar wrote: I don't know how people survived that
Black market and German Mark
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...I'll make sure that I can afford the fee without any loan.
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Corinna John wrote: I'll make sure that I can afford the fee without any loan.
Heck, they should be paying you to teach their courses on crypto.
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Marc Clifton wrote: they should be paying you to teach their courses on crypto
I'll second that!
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... and that about sums it up.
The programming classes I took were a joke. No real world practicality.
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I believe, a good fundamental knowledge about networks, computer organisation and math etc. is very advantageously in programming and an IT college is the best way to get them... 
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In other words: An IT college should teach networking, organisation and math. Not programming.
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Hehe... You are joking... I belive you have read over the "etc.". I mean also programming (OOP, OOD), principles of electrical engineering and digital technology...
Certainly, it depends on the IT- College and the branch of study, but generally you get a fundamental knowledge about this great sciences...
In my opinion, it's is the best way to understand this little white box that we called PC (from the basic units until to sequential logic system)...
Ok, it's possible that anybody asks me in the next time: Does i really need all this background knowledge to become a good programmer?
The answer of this question isn't easy but i'm sure that a good IT- Student that haves (f.e. an "Master" degree in applied computer science can solve complex problems faster and more efficent then a non graduate programmer...
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"Score: 2.9, 5 votes"
Hey you guys who voted me down without any reason!
Would you please post a reply?
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Corinna John wrote: Would you please post a reply?
I find most people that vote do so because they are too afraid/lazy to reply with their thoughts.
Of course you have the rare types like me who votes and is a verbal a**hole.  But even still, all-in-all, I'll reply more than I'll vote.
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In Ireland there was never much of a need for a loan as most of the fees are paid by the EU, but most of my class did take out a loan in the last year, so we could celebrate passing our exams (of course didn't tell the bank manager that was the reason for the loan).
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ed welch wrote: of course didn't tell the bank manager that was the reason for the loan
I must have had a great bank manager, I went to him for a loan and he was totally open about the whole thing and said that the bank were prepared to lend 1500 brown drinking vouchers (The £10 note is brown)
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Here in Italy we have to pay a fee at the beginning of the academic year (at university) and another one at the middle. Fees are yield-based: they start from ~500 Euros up to ~2000 Euros (at my university: Politecnico di Milano).
Anyway almost all the universities have this kind of fees.
Lowest grade public schools are almost free (a few dozed Euros per year). Private schools are very expensive, but almost no one attend them also because they are rumored to be bad on the didactic aspect (you actually don't learn). 
We (I mean Italians) think that instruction and schools should be affordable for all: it makes no sense to pay thousands Euros a year to attend college or university.
This way "poor" people cannot go to the university then they cannot have a good job then they remain poor. And their sons the same. This is not democracy.
The same can be applied to the health system, but this is too much off topic.
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Dario Solera wrote: We (I mean Italians) think that instruction and schools should be affordable for all: it makes no sense to pay thousands Euros a year to attend college or university.
This way "poor" people cannot go to the university then they cannot have a good job then they remain poor. And their sons the same. This is not democracy.
IMHO, loans are pretty fair: ones who benefit from education pay for it afterwards. If education is "free" for all, it means that people who never go to college pay for those who do. In effect, it means that poor pay for the rich.
But we are diving into politics here, and I prefer bashing C# 
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: it means that poor pay for the rich
In one sense, that will always be the case, no matter what. The only way to avoid paying for the rich, is to become rich.
But I agree. We should stick to bashing C# in forums like this.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: But I agree. We should stick to bashing C# in forums like this
Good - I was afraid I got voted down because of my views on poor paying for the rich, but now that I see we both got voted down, I bet it was some C# "programmer" 
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