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forecourt wrote:
Why should I spend hours searching if someone would
be happy to help ?
Because increasingly those that give up their free time to help will get irritated and go away which is bad for everyone, not just the selfish individual that has an urgent emergency problem that they could have forseen if they had done even the most basic research in the first place.
forecourt wrote:
I often find that books and help systems like to answer their own questions, but not mine.
While no book or help system is 100% perfect, they answer the majority of my questions if I am willing to look hard enough. I have stacks of books at home where I've annotated the index and contents pages (as well as the pages in between) with notes pointing to other books in my library. Research often pays great dividends.
However, after you have exhausted your research efforts then it is appropriate to post on a forum. Then you can say, I've looked here and there and I found some information that helps a little but I need help to get over the problem. That way you show that you are committed enough to your problem that you have spent some actual real effort to figure it out yourself.
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"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucious
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My comments are based on the assumption of a two speed system.
We all know when it's a simple question, so go to the
"silly question" forum first.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
those that give up their free time to help will get irritated and go away
If those helping expect simple questions they won't be irritated.
Actually they get a chance to help. This = "feel good"
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
While no book or help system is 100% perfect, they answer the majority of my questions if I am willing to look hard enough. I have stacks of books at home where I've annotated the index and contents pages (as well as the pages in between) with notes pointing to other books in my library. Research often pays great dividends.
mmmmm. where to start ?
I know ... Good for you 
Not everyone has the space or money for all those books.
I use several languages and operating systems.. each needing
it's own mass of books !
The purpose of research is to get an answer, often asking a friend is the place to start, not a last resort.
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forecourt wrote:
We all know when it's a simple question, so go to the
"silly question" forum first.
I don't mind the simple questions - sometimes a person just needs a pointer to the right bit of documentation.
It is the silly questions that irritate me. Silly being a question where it is obvious that the person has done no research and does not intend to, or the question that ends in a imperative demand for a fully working bit of code that meets their criteria.
forecourt wrote:
Not everyone has the space or money for all those books.
Well, 2 books is all it takes to have a library. I suppose I have been collecting for a while - my dad keeps commenting on whether my house is strong enough.
forecourt wrote:
each needing it's own mass of books
The best "book" for Microsoft development is MSDN - and that is freely available online or from a DVD install. Even the articles from MSDN magazine make it to the website.
forecourt wrote:
The purpose of research is to get an answer, often asking a friend is the place to start, not a last resort.
Well, I would say it is the place to start if you don't know where to start. If all you ever do is "ask a friend" you won't learn much - I couldn't begin to work out how much extra I've learned on the way to the answer by reading up on the subject myself.
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"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucious
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Very well stated Colin. I concur 100%.
...Steve
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Steve Pullan wrote:
Far too many people are logging incredibly basic questions on this board and/or asking for help without doing any requisite research.
Funny, this seems to happen in the VB.NET board more than anywhere else....
Although, someone on a Microsoft board just told me that C# is faster than VB.NET, because there are less characters in the code, and therefore the exe is smaller. So I guess that dumb is not a limited commodity.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Christian Graus wrote:
Funny, this seems to happen in the VB.NET board more than anywhere else....
I feel a language debate coming on... but I'm not biting
Christian Graus wrote:
Although, someone on a Microsoft board just told me that C# is faster than VB.NET, because there are less characters in the code, and therefore the exe is smaller. So I guess that dumb is not a limited commodity.
I've not heard that one before, but if that is true then it follows that APL (A Programming Language circa 197x? from IBM) crammed more functions into a line of code than any other language that I have used (yes I did use it once), so it must have been much smaller and run a lot faster than any other compiled program in history but you did need a $1 million mainframe upon which to run it! Wonder why I never stuck with it? 
...Steve
-- modified at 20:11 Wednesday 21st September, 2005
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Steve Pullan wrote:
but I'm not biting
Then you get my respect for being the bigger man 
Steve Pullan wrote:
I've not heard that one before
No, I think it's indicative of a general lack of knowledge about how a computer remotely works amongst people learning to code nowadays. Not all, but certainly some. This guy was actually experienced in VB, looking to move to C# for a supposed speed increase. Obviously I was polite in explaining it to him, but we've certainly had a laugh in the office about it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Funny reading your post I was thinking, hmm I can see a new boiler plate answer to some of these posts.
All of the answers you need can be found in one of these three websites.
Google[^]
MSDN[^]
CodeProject[^]
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DEBUGGING : Removing the needles from the haystack.
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I just thought that I would throw in my two cents worth to this topic.
I am new to this (posting!) but I have just been browsing through ALL the topics here 'doing my research' for something I need to be able to do and so far I've scanned/read over 2000 topics, so when I came across this topic it struck me moreso than if I had encountered it earlier in my search.
I fully agree that there is no such thing as too simple a question, (Out of the mouths of babes etc etc.) but stupid questions! there should be a law against it.
On my researches I sometimes quite happily get sidetracked by 'simple' questions, because they are about using or doing something in a novel way or maybe they are just amusing...
More seriously though, because I am new at this I may be way off base here but the one thing that has really hacked me off whilst browsing the topics is where the Topic heading is something useless like Urgent or Please Helppppp! or Stupid question etc etc.
but then you have to open the topic to actually see what it is about, which slows down your progress.
The idea of Boilerplating could maybe used to advantage here:
e.g. Fill a form to do a post, where the querant is asked a couple of simple questions like:
Have you tried researching this fully yourself from books or Google search etc?
(If no to this refer querant to some respected sources)
What Category does your query come under? (and supply a list to pick from)
What is your preffered Programming language?
Can you give a one-line synopsis of your query?
With that taken care of it should enhance everyones level of usage because:
1. You have already made the person take more cognisence of what they really want.
2. You've Catagorised the Question, making it easier to display in the correct place.
3. You've also categorised the programming language.
4. and MOST importantly because of the one-line synopsis it will be now much more efficient to perform a search for help or if you are giving help you will see again more clearly topics you are able to give assistance to.
Sorry for being so long winded.
Tremonde
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hi guys!
its urgent can any one help me out in relation to this ..
i m developing an application in vb.net which plays movie files in full screen mode. i wanna run scroll adds made in flash at the bottom of screen.
can any one give me some idea how to implement this..
bye!
abhinav
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hi!
i m developing TAPI application in vb.net. i ve written a code. it properly response the incoming calls but it does not detect the phone digits when pressed. i want to detect digits so that i can do further work on that. Please help me. I m waitng for solution.
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Posting the code was the right move. Posting a follow up question because you didn't get a reply within 10 minutes is not going to help your cause, and floods this board needlessly. I don't know anything about TAPI, but as you're not paying for help, you've no right to do more than wait until someone who does decides to help you.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Don't forget the three posts about 22 hours earlier than these 
...Steve
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Hi,
Please can you help me. Please tell me how to get Caller ID and Detect Phone,plz help where i found TAPI and how to do work with it as you have done. C#.Net or VB.Net
Waiting for your positive response.
|Muhamad Waqas Butt|
waqasb4all@yahoo.com
www.sktech.freewebspace.com
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hi!
i m developing TAPI application in vb.net. i ve written a code. it properly response the incoming calls but it does not detect the phone digits when pressed. i want to detect digits so that i can do further work on that. Please help me. I m waitng for suggestions and replies to solve this problem.
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back in vb6 days one would fire off a query and loop thru the results in a do--while loop ... is that still done in vb.net? if not then how do i iterate over a dataset that has been filled up? can i use foreach() over a dataset? does it return a row in each iteration?
thnx
"there is no spoon"
biz stuff about me
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In C# it's
foreach ( DataRow row in dataset.Rows)
Change to tinkertoy syntax for use in VB.NET
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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hehe thnx but the problem im having is figuring out the tinkertoy syntax for vb
*sigh*
"there is no spoon"
biz stuff about me
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Dim row as DataRow
foreach row in dataset.Rows
I *think*
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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yah i think its cos im using a dataset instead of a datareader (whatever) so im retooling to use datareaders that have a .read method
*sigh*
vb sure hasnt gotten any better from getting .NOTTED
"there is no spoon"
biz stuff about me
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Oh, it's a DataSet ? Then you need myDataSet.Tables(0).Rows, rather than myTable.Rows.
DataReader is good for a forward only cursor, definately better resource wise, but no good for returning data from a data tier.
l a u r e n wrote:
vb sure hasnt gotten any better from getting .NOTTED
No, VB is still crap.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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yah i just figured out that datasets can hold whole databases in effect so one would have to specify which table one wanted to iterate over ... i changed it to use datareaders cos im just pulling data out from join queries to write to an xml file based on a different schema
thnx though
"there is no spoon"
biz stuff about me
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hello...
i encountered a problem on my project..
my project is a game. kinda like a jumble word..
is like arrange from a various word to make a sentence..
so how to detect if the answer is right
and also how to drag the to words to make the sentence.
please..
can anyone outhere help me.
im running out of time..please i need anyone to help me
please....please
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Aisya Sofea wrote:
so how to detect if the answer is right
and also how to drag the to words to make the sentence.
Sounds like this is pretty much all of the project. I'm interested, how do you use MFC in VB.NET ?
Aisya Sofea wrote:
im running out of time..please i need anyone to help me
please....please
Well, rather than posting 'my time has run out and I have no idea what to do' ( which equates to 'write this for me ), why don't you post some code and explain where specifically you are having trouble ? If you're not at a point of being able to post something, then you're not at a point of being able to ask for help.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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hai..
i encountered a problem on the traffic light simulation project..
how can i change the colour of traffic light and using what item..
also how can i make the car moving in the required time..
so they dont crash on each other..i used 4 junction.
can anyone help me please..
im running out of time..
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