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Re: Always liked having a palm top Ellery_Familia24-May-05 16:13 Ellery_Familia 24-May-05 16:13  or a Treo Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! Nish Nishant22-May-05 23:17 Nish Nishant 22-May-05 23:17  The UI is so sloooow Re: Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! tejaswi_yvs23-May-05 0:15 tejaswi_yvs 23-May-05 0:15  why is java really slow? Re: Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! WillemM23-May-05 19:38 WillemM 23-May-05 19:38  Maybe because it uses an interpreter? WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? Re: Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! tejaswi_yvs24-May-05 8:36 tejaswi_yvs 24-May-05 8:36  interpreters are slower than compilers? Re: Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! WillemM24-May-05 8:39 WillemM 24-May-05 8:39  A compiler, interprets the whole program just once (on the developer machine) but an interpreter does it every time you run the program (on the client machine)... that's why its slower. WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? Re: Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! tejaswi_yvs24-May-05 8:39 tejaswi_yvs 24-May-05 8:39  can some one plz mail me how java actually works?? or suggesting a site wud be better...... tq, Tej... 000000000 TTTTTTTTTTT 0000000000000 TT 0000000000000 TT 0000000000000 TT 0000000000000 TT 0000000 EEEEEEEEE 0000000 EE 0000000 EE 0000000 EEEEEEEEEE 0000000 EE 0000000 EE 0000000 EEEEEEEEEE 0000000 JJJJJJJJJJ 0000000000 JJ 0000000000 JJ 0000000000 JJ 0000000000 JJ 0000000000 JJ 000000 JJJJJ Re: Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! toxcct24-May-05 20:18 toxcct 24-May-05 20:18  it's not so compilcated... you have a code source (plain text) that you compile. but the java compiler won't create an exe file that is the machine code for you processor. it generates instead an intermediate language called Byte Code, and it is this byte code that is interpreted by the Java Virtual Machine to generate the appropriate assembly for you processor. Of course, you will ask : "but, why do we need an intermediate if it becomes slower ?" good question, but the answer is so pertinent : "portability" ! effectively, the same program generated in byte code can run either on Windows (whatever plateform), MacOS, Linux, sunOS, etc... without recompiling !!! (the only condition is that a virtual machine must be running to execute a java program ) hope this help more now ... cheers, Re: Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! mlkeS24-May-05 21:05 mlkeS 24-May-05 21:05  But Java interpreters do JIT (Just In Time) compiling after the intermediate code is validated... -- Meski Re: Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! Bob Stanneveld25-May-05 2:44 Bob Stanneveld 25-May-05 2:44  toxcct wrote: Of course, you will ask : "but, why do we need an intermediate if it becomes slower ?" good question, but the answer is so pertinent : "portability" ! Well, I can write portable C++ code almost as easy as portable java code . Though I canno't create portable executables with a non .NET C++ compiler Blog[^] Re: Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! mpuerto26-May-05 16:53 mpuerto 26-May-05 16:53  I think java is not interpreted, its compiled but in run time (JIT). It's like saying that C# is interpreted... Re: Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! peterchen23-May-05 1:32 peterchen 23-May-05 1:32  same here it does some good caching, but when it starts up it is unresponsive as an KC 85/1 with dysfunctional keyboard. Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering. aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie" boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygen Re: Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! Matt Newman23-May-05 19:04 Matt Newman 23-May-05 19:04  Never thought of that, I can blame java for my phone sucking!! Matt Newman Even the very best tools in the hands of an idiot will produce something of little or no value. - Chris Meech on Idiots Re: Why I think my phone is a Java based phone! NormDroid25-May-05 1:36 NormDroid 25-May-05 1:36  mine must be java base phone because it hangs alot. My Blog ^ As a member of the KPS campaign Michael P Butler22-May-05 20:26 Michael P Butler 22-May-05 20:26  As a member of the Keep Phones Simple campign, I've have no idea what my phone runs on it. It makes and receives phone calls and that's it. And thats all I want a telephone to do. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^] Re: As a member of the KPS campaign Arjan Einbu22-May-05 22:04 Arjan Einbu 22-May-05 22:04  I don't know if my phone does those things... What menu would I select? Re: As a member of the KPS campaign Charlie Williams23-May-05 3:34 Charlie Williams 23-May-05 3:34  Michael P Butler wrote: It makes and receives phone calls and that's it. That's crazy talk. Where the heck do you keep your recipes? Charlie if(!curlies){ return; } Re: As a member of the KPS campaign Weiye Chen23-May-05 20:13 Weiye Chen 23-May-05 20:13  Michael P Butler wrote: It makes and receives phone calls and that's it. And thats all I want a telephone to do. Don't you use it to send/receive short messages to/from other people? This has actually become our culture here. We send messages more than making phone calls. <font=arial>Weiye Chen Life is hard, yet we are made of flesh... Re: As a member of the KPS campaign stano23-May-05 20:51 stano 23-May-05 20:51  Luddite! I have 256 Mb on my phone and I can listen to my music on the go. I have a 1.6 Megapixel digital camera which I thought I would never use, but now gets used all the time, and I can browse the web whenever I wan't, wherever I am. I can use the GPS tracking capability to find ATMs, Restaurants etc., which is still basic, but showing promise. Oh and I can make Video calls to other people with 3G phones, which is admittedly a bit useless currently as I only know one other person with that capability! But who knows... So my point is that these services become part of the woodwork very quickly. I bet you were the same person who said years ago that they would never need a mobile phone as they don't go anywhere. Go on, admit it. Re: As a member of the KPS campaign Jeff Martin25-May-05 2:31 Jeff Martin 25-May-05 2:31  I agree. I bought the cheapest phone from Verizon that would both make a call and receive one. Jeff Martin My Blog Re: As a member of the KPS campaign Bob Stanneveld25-May-05 2:46 Bob Stanneveld 25-May-05 2:46  Where do I sign up ? Blog[^] Am I supposed Jörgen Sigvardsson22-May-05 20:16 Jörgen Sigvardsson 22-May-05 20:16  to have a clue? -- An eye for an eye will only make the world blind. Re: Am I supposed Paul Watson23-May-05 0:20 Paul Watson 23-May-05 0:20  Don't you live in Nokialand? regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Gary Wheeler wrote: It's people like you that keep me heading for my big debut on CNN... Re: Am I supposed Jörgen Sigvardsson23-May-05 0:32 Jörgen Sigvardsson 23-May-05 0:32  No, I live in Ericsson-land. Nokia is Finnish, Ericsson is Swedish. (Well it's 50% Swedish and 50% Japanese now) -- An eye for an eye will only make the world blind. Re: Am I supposed Jon Newman19-Sep-05 23:14 Jon Newman 19-Sep-05 23:14  Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Nokia is Finnish, Ericsson is Swedish And both Finland and Sweden are in Denmark right? Jonathan Newman blog.nonny.com [^]

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