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Chris Maunder wrote: laziness, ignorance, convenience, or because there's no other choice
But isn't that how every human makes every decision, ever?
I mean, I know I like to crow about how much research I did over my latest widget purchase, but I can guarantee you I didn't research absolutely every last granule of data available on widgets before I made my decision. Which means my decision was based largely out of ignorance and convenience.
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But if that widget gave you an electric shock every time you used it would you get another? Unless, of course, that was the only widget you could find and you needed one NOW, dammit! NOW!!
That's how I see Starbucks. Taking advantage of my habit and shocking me in the process.
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Chris Maunder
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Chris certainly started a good discussion!
A friend with Italian parents remarked that Starbucks has branches in almost every country in the world except Italy, where coffee was first introduced in Europe. They didn't want to open a café in a country where proper coffee is made.
It's only very recently that Starbucks has dared to open a café in Milan
Jerry
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And I bet it's only used by tourists. Well, that and curious youngsters who will sneak in without their parents/grandparents seeing to try this american abomination.
Er, I can't think of a funny signature right now.
How about a good fart to break the silence?
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Typical EuroSnobbery: the baton of cultural leadership has long ago been passed to the Western Side of the Atlantic. I've been across much of Europe and, particularly when speaking of food and drink, it's time you just get over yourselves.*
And now, I think I'll go enjoy a Hershey Bar[^]!
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Hershey is as bad as Dairy Milk, just in a different way. Mainland Europe seems to have a much better handle on chocolate. I'm not a fan of dark chocolate, but dairy milk is just too sweet. It needs to be chocolatey, creamy and just a bit sweet.
Not sure about cultural leadership, America is such a different place to Europe. There are definitely american influences in europe, but not everything gains traction this side of the pond. Everything is so much bigger there, you have more room. Bigger houses, bigger cars etc. I remember one of the American open-top bus companies trying to start in Bath. They ignored all the local operators and tried to use the same huge open top buses they were using in the US and London. The first one got stuck within a week!
My point is this, some things that work perfectly fine in America won't work here, or at least won't quite fit. Europe, having gotten much "smaller" the last couple of decades, is definitely developing a shared culture, but even there environment, cultural heritage and other influences dictate that there must be differences between each.
We'll continue to pick and choose what we like, but I don't think Europe's culture will ever be "lead" by any influence outside of Europe.
Wow. No idea where that came from. Must be time for a cup of tea! ![Java | [Coffee]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif) (closest picture I could find, sorry)
Er, I can't think of a funny signature right now.
How about a good fart to break the silence?
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Chris Maunder wrote: cache
Cachet, actually. But I like your choice better. 
/ravi
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Are you accusing my iPhone's autocorrrect of being wrong?
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Chris Maunder
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Oh, sorry! I love spell cheque!
/ravi
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See! It's oresome!
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Chris Maunder
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Whether Apple products are well designed or not, people buy it for the coolness factor. Same with Starbucks, you've gotta get your coffee from Starbucks or else risk looking cheap.
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I disagree. I buy apple products because the hardware is so nice and because of the ecosystem.
[Edit: and I'm happy with the fact that the FBI can't crack my phone]
I'm cool enough already. I live in Toronto.
cheers
Chris Maunder
modified 23-Feb-16 11:21am.
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Well I would say you are in the minority then. Pretty much everyone else I know who announce their Apple-love have no idea about whether the hardware is good, whether it's good value for money, whether they need it, etc.
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Nish Nishant wrote: Pretty much everyone else I know who announce their Apple-love have no idea about whether the hardware is good,
Really? I'm surprised at that. Apple are a hardware company. It's what they do best.
I'd be surprised to hear that an owner of an Apple product didn't think it was "good".
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Chris Maunder
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Well they do think it is good, but unlike someone like you, they don't really "know" that Even if it wasn't good, they'd still think that.
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I just replaced my Samsung Android phone with an iPhone. Best thing I ever did!
As for coffee, if you're stupid enough to pay rip-off prices for nearly coffee then you probably don't care what it tastes like.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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Chris Maunder wrote: Im cool enough already. I live in Toronto.
 I do believe that's the first time those words have been used in that order!
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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I tried to come back with some snappy repartee...but couldn't.
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: [Edit: and I'm happy with the fact that the FBI can't crack my phone]
But what about Apple's grabbing info about you? You can shut some of the spying down if you can find it - or at least they tell you that you can disable it. Why would they mislead anyone?
Oddly, the FBI is probably the least of the concerns you should have about having your privacy invaded. Most everyone else doesn't have a rule book with at least some accountability.
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Bingo! 
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Chris Maunder
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I love it how people who don't buy Apple products always seem to know exactly why others do.
Must be amazing to be clairvoyant. 
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: I love it how people who don't buy Apple products always seem to know exactly why others do.
Must be amazing to be clairvoyant.
It's not clairvoyance. I have engaged in conversations with Apple product owners, many of whom are close friends/family, and not once have I heard a reason convincing enough for me to think that they were making informed decisions.
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OK... 
...by that standard the conversations I've had with Android users would indicate that most of them are bottom-feeders who want a big smart phone to impress their second cousin and want the cheapest thing on the market despite the fact that it has a 3 year old OS riddled with security holes.
Fair?
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Not sure how you are interpreting me here. I am not saying Apple products are bad. I am not saying they are good either. What I am saying is that, based on my experience, a large number of people buy Apple products for reasons outside hardware quality and software stability.
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I'm interpreting you exactly as you state your intention. I just don't have the same experience and I actually doubt you're being honest with yourself.
My comment about Android users was 1) an attempt at humor and 2) based on similar stereotypical media BS that I believe shades your opinion on why people choose Apple products.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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