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Hershey is as bad as Dairy Milk, just in a different way. Mainland Europe seems to have a much better handle on chocolate. I'm not a fan of dark chocolate, but dairy milk is just too sweet. It needs to be chocolatey, creamy and just a bit sweet.
Not sure about cultural leadership, America is such a different place to Europe. There are definitely american influences in europe, but not everything gains traction this side of the pond. Everything is so much bigger there, you have more room. Bigger houses, bigger cars etc. I remember one of the American open-top bus companies trying to start in Bath. They ignored all the local operators and tried to use the same huge open top buses they were using in the US and London. The first one got stuck within a week!
My point is this, some things that work perfectly fine in America won't work here, or at least won't quite fit. Europe, having gotten much "smaller" the last couple of decades, is definitely developing a shared culture, but even there environment, cultural heritage and other influences dictate that there must be differences between each.
We'll continue to pick and choose what we like, but I don't think Europe's culture will ever be "lead" by any influence outside of Europe.
Wow. No idea where that came from. Must be time for a cup of tea! ![Java | [Coffee]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif) (closest picture I could find, sorry)
Er, I can't think of a funny signature right now.
How about a good fart to break the silence?
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Chris Maunder wrote: cache
Cachet, actually. But I like your choice better. 
/ravi
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Are you accusing my iPhone's autocorrrect of being wrong?
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Chris Maunder
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Oh, sorry! I love spell cheque!
/ravi
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See! It's oresome!
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Chris Maunder
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Whether Apple products are well designed or not, people buy it for the coolness factor. Same with Starbucks, you've gotta get your coffee from Starbucks or else risk looking cheap.
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I disagree. I buy apple products because the hardware is so nice and because of the ecosystem.
[Edit: and I'm happy with the fact that the FBI can't crack my phone]
I'm cool enough already. I live in Toronto.
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Chris Maunder
modified 23-Feb-16 11:21am.
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Well I would say you are in the minority then. Pretty much everyone else I know who announce their Apple-love have no idea about whether the hardware is good, whether it's good value for money, whether they need it, etc.
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Nish Nishant wrote: Pretty much everyone else I know who announce their Apple-love have no idea about whether the hardware is good,
Really? I'm surprised at that. Apple are a hardware company. It's what they do best.
I'd be surprised to hear that an owner of an Apple product didn't think it was "good".
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Chris Maunder
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Well they do think it is good, but unlike someone like you, they don't really "know" that Even if it wasn't good, they'd still think that.
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I just replaced my Samsung Android phone with an iPhone. Best thing I ever did!
As for coffee, if you're stupid enough to pay rip-off prices for nearly coffee then you probably don't care what it tastes like.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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Chris Maunder wrote: Im cool enough already. I live in Toronto.
 I do believe that's the first time those words have been used in that order!
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
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I tried to come back with some snappy repartee...but couldn't.
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: [Edit: and I'm happy with the fact that the FBI can't crack my phone]
But what about Apple's grabbing info about you? You can shut some of the spying down if you can find it - or at least they tell you that you can disable it. Why would they mislead anyone?
Oddly, the FBI is probably the least of the concerns you should have about having your privacy invaded. Most everyone else doesn't have a rule book with at least some accountability.
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Bingo! 
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Chris Maunder
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I love it how people who don't buy Apple products always seem to know exactly why others do.
Must be amazing to be clairvoyant. 
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: I love it how people who don't buy Apple products always seem to know exactly why others do.
Must be amazing to be clairvoyant.
It's not clairvoyance. I have engaged in conversations with Apple product owners, many of whom are close friends/family, and not once have I heard a reason convincing enough for me to think that they were making informed decisions.
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OK... 
...by that standard the conversations I've had with Android users would indicate that most of them are bottom-feeders who want a big smart phone to impress their second cousin and want the cheapest thing on the market despite the fact that it has a 3 year old OS riddled with security holes.
Fair?
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Not sure how you are interpreting me here. I am not saying Apple products are bad. I am not saying they are good either. What I am saying is that, based on my experience, a large number of people buy Apple products for reasons outside hardware quality and software stability.
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I'm interpreting you exactly as you state your intention. I just don't have the same experience and I actually doubt you're being honest with yourself.
My comment about Android users was 1) an attempt at humor and 2) based on similar stereotypical media BS that I believe shades your opinion on why people choose Apple products.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: I just don't have the same experience and I actually doubt you're being honest with yourself.
Well, then I think it's pointless for me to waste time trying to reply to you as to my rationale.
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Well Played! I was about to reply to one of his posts "But Nish is right".
Saved me the cost of a post.
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Chris Maunder wrote: Their phone works well as a phone.
I know a few people who've had an iPhone that didn't work (even after returning it)
Chris Maunder wrote: Their music players shaped what we came to expect from a music player
I hope you don't mean iTunes. It's not only the worst music player in the world, it's easily one of the worst pieces of software in the world! I won't say Windows Media Player is much better (well, not anymore) though.
If you're referring to iPod, I have an iPod Classic and I've come accustomed to it. Before this, many, many, many years ago, I had a Creative. Back then that was just so much better! Too bad they didn't come in 160GB (and neither does iPod anymore).
Chris Maunder wrote: [...] ecosystem [...] the cache that comes with Apple products
You mean vendor lock-in.
Really Apple is no better than other tech companies.
You should know it's just software and software has bugs. They have bugs just like Microsoft, Linux, Google, Facebook, and what have you.
True, their design is different from Microsoft (and others) and some like it (although personally I like the MS Phone better).
Apple's different, but not necessarily better.
It -is- a lot more expensive though.
Many people buy Apple for status.
I could now point you to many websites that show that people liked Android much better when they were told that it was the new iPhone. They even liked the "new" features!
Or studies that show Apple fanboys are much less critical towards Apple than MS fanboys are towards MS.
One study even showed that the part of the brain that's active when people practice their religion is also used when Apple fanboys talk about Apple.
But one can question the validity of such studies.
I'm pretty sure there's at least a bit of truth in them though.
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Chris Maunder wrote: I think people go for Apple because they like the design, the ecosystem, the simplicity (we can argue about this later) and the cache that comes with Apple products.
I think people go for Starbucks because of laziness, ignorance, convenience, or because there's no other choice.
I'd make the argument that people flock to Apple for those exact same reasons: Their products are sold on the premise that they "just work", and nobody wants to give themselves the trouble to learn to use the products offered by their competitors (or they just gave up on them). How is that not laziness, ignorance and convenience...
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super wrote: Overpriced and driven by fanboysgirls
FTFY (in the case of Starbucks)
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America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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