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Is about the best way to describe getting a Passport renewal from Her Majesty's Government.
Sure it cost 40% more in real terms and took 4 times longer than before.
But at 13 days I know it could have been so much worse!
Apropos of nothing, anyone here heading yo STLDODN this week?
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MidwestLimey wrote: anyone here heading yo STLDODN this week?
Yes I'll probably be shouting it in the pub on Saturday.
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At a recent Veteran's Day concert Eminem used the naughty F-bomb.
See: Shocking![^]
Question: At what point do we stop holding the performer responsible and start holding the guy who booked the act as responsible for this whole affair? Has Eminem ever disguised the nature of his performances? Why would anyone, including the concert organizer, be the least bit shocked at any of this at all?
This would be like booking Lady Gaga to perform for your little boy's 5th birthday party and then getting all offended at the troupe of androgynous dancers that show up at your house.
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MehGerbil wrote: At what point do we stop holding the performer responsible
At what point do we start holding the performer responsible for spewing meaningless profane drivel?
Then again, at what point do we become intelligent enough to stop paying hundreds of dollars to attend concerts where the performers spew meaningless profane drivel? Personally, I have little hope (actually no hope) for human-kind.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
At what point do we start holding the performer responsible for spewing meaningless profane drivel?
I think we hold the performer responsible when we don't buy tickets or when we don't book them for family friendly events.
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MehGerbil wrote: I think we hold the performer responsible when we don't buy tickets
Exactly.
Marc
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Marc, I've stopped.
... but then I never started! 
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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PhilLenoir wrote: .. but then I never started!
 Me too.
Marc
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As the late great Ogden Nash wrote:
My fellow man I do not care for,
I often wonder what he's there for,
The only reason I can find,
is reproduction of his kind.
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Marc Clifton wrote: I have little hope (actually no hope) for human-kind.
I agree we have devolved into something I don't really recognize anymore. We used to care about each other and take responsibility for out actions I wonder at what point that stopped?
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0
There's a fine line between crazy and free spirited and it's usually a prescription.
I'm currently unsupervised, I know it freaks me out too but the possibilities are endless.
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Mike Hankey wrote: I wonder at what point that stopped?
In part, when we were somehow lulled into thinking that our government would take care of us instead.
Marc
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Yeah I guess that's been a large part of it. When we were young people were ashamed to take welfare and preferred to stand on their own 2 feet. But in those days large corporations still had jobs in this country, the country where the workers got them to the point were they are.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0
There's a fine line between crazy and free spirited and it's usually a prescription.
I'm currently unsupervised, I know it freaks me out too but the possibilities are endless.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Then again, at what point do we become intelligent enough to stop paying hundreds of dollars to attend concerts where the performers spew lip-synch meaningless profane drivel?
FIFY
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Marc Clifton wrote: At what point do we start holding the performer responsible for spewing meaningless profane drivel?
The upside of free speech is that one gets to say what one wants.
The downside of course is that the other guys gets to do the same.
Marc Clifton wrote: Then again, at what point do we become intelligent enough to stop paying hundreds of dollars to attend concerts where the performers spew meaningless profane drivel?
Presumably it will be well after the point where we stop spending hundreds or even thousands to watch adults run up and down a field moving balls around under various arcane rules.
And that of course can't happen until we stop physically assaulting others and rioting after watching such displays.
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MehGerbil wrote: At what point do we stop holding the performer responsible and start holding the guy who booked the act as responsible
At the same point we hold parents responsible for crimes their children commit.
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Slacker007 wrote: At the same point we hold parents responsible for crimes their children commit.
I guess it takes a village up until the point it comes time to assign blame.
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I don't buy into the village bit, never have. Blame always lies with the parents.
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Slacker007 wrote: I don't buy into the village bit, never have. Blame always lies with the parents.
I don't hold you accountable for such a silly view.
I blame your parents. 
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I don't think it is silly. It actually works. I take full responsibilty for my parenting and my parenting mistakes with my children. I don't put the responsibility on some bullshit village.
The parenting that Eminem received in his life was sub standard.
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Slacker007 wrote:
At the same point we hold parents responsible for crimes their children commit.
At least in the US that is often the case certainly at the social level and often at the legal level.
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jschell wrote: At least in the US that is often the case certainly at the social level and often at the legal level.
I might not have understood your comment but I beg to see a case where the parents went to jail because underage Johnny robbed a liquor store.
I could be wrong.
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I was asked to give a talk at a Womens' Institute meeting once.
Accent on the "once".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Were you able to get any phone numbers? 
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