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I've long believed that young kids should be allowed to learn by playing and not start their formal education until the age of 6 or 7 - however I have come across many a parent who want their kids to be formally educated from the age of 4 (or even earlier)
I think this is misguided - and part of the reason for sending my boy to a Steiner school was their 'slower ramp up' to formal education.
what do you think?
this[^] New Scientist article prompted the post...
I'd be interested to hear thoughts, especially from those of you with offspring, before & after reading the article.
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I think the younger the better: kids brains are like sponges; they soak up everything; fill them early and often.
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You'd think, wouldn't you? - but unfortunately the evidence differs
Quote: In New Zealand, several key investigations compared children who started formal literacy lessons at age 5 with those who started age 7. They showed that early formal learning doesn't improve reading development, and may even be damaging. By the age of 11, there was no difference in reading ability level between the two groups. However, those who started aged 5 developed less positive attitudes to reading and showed poorer text comprehension than those who had started later.
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I could read by the time I started school at 4.5 and have read ever since. My language comprehension skills are good as are those of most of my contemporaries. Like all statistical research it is 75.3% bollocks.
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mark merrens wrote: Like all statistical research it is 75.3% bollocks.
whereas a result taken from a survey of one is 100% accurate?
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Well, of course. How could you possibly think otherwise.
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Valid if you subscribe to an empty sponge metaphor. Where does thinking come in?
Peter Wasser
Art is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Frank Zappa
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pwasser wrote: Where does thinking come in?
For you? I have no idea. 
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Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
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I think the reason parents want to begin schooling so early is just to get the kids out of their hair.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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707!
How true - but there's no reason they can't be educated outside the home, but with the emphasis on play-based education and not formal education
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_Maxxx_ wrote: with the emphasis on play-based education and not formal education
Exactly. Everyone, especially children learn better when they are having some fun.
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Every child is different and some are ready to learn early and some aren't.
Expose them to it if they are interested continue if not postpone!
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I think you are dead right in principal - but what happens is that the teacher f a kid whose (say) maths skills aren't as good as another kid's (even across schools) will have the parents berating the teacher saying he needs extra help with his maths, and are loath to accept that the kid isn't ready yet for formal maths, and is learning more playing in the sand pit with a set of measuring jugs.
In worse scenarios, parents who never read to their kids berate kindy teachers for not teaching their kids to read ... but that's a gripe for another day!
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For a lot of parents school is a day care, where they drop off there kids 5 days a week and they don't have to deal with them.
If you don't take an interest how can you expect them to?
Yeah it's another day and another story...
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You should wait until the youth asks a specific question before giving "the talk".
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I started 1st grade at age 4, went from 4th to 6th grade skipping 5th grade, and finished 17 years of education by the time I was 20.
I thought I was pretty good till I ran into a 14-year-old sophomore in college -- not high school -- who I think earned his PhD by the time he was 20. I was envious that I was straight-jacketed into a rigid education system that wouldn't met me skip more grades.
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None of the "education" from primary school through high school is worth a damn anyway. It could be condensed to a single year that you could take when you're, I don't know, 10 or so, and even then it wouldn't be a very intensive year.
They do an excellent job at draining the will to live out of you though. That's probably the most important thing they do.
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I think I read recently that early education became legally enforced in the UK in the late 1800s to free up women to go back to work, not for any evidence-based reasons to do with education.
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Quite.
Far too much focus in education on being able to measure it rather than actually producing happy kids who can properly interact with each other and the world they live in.
An education system based on league tables, budgets, and uniform measures of quantifiable success is a flawed one.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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ChrisElston wrote: rather than actually producing happy kids who can properly interact with each other and the world they live in.
Where does one pick up the book that insures that say 90% of the students that participate in the course of study promoted in the book will end up that way?
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It's important for kids to have family structure in their early years particularly. Sending them off to school as soon as possible is not in their best interest.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Or why start formal education at all? Kids (everyone really) will learn better when they are interested in what they are learning. This school takes it to the extreme, and I like the concept enough that I've considered moving to an area that has a school with the same philosophy for when my kids start school. Until then it's playtime at home and play based preschools.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxPnvJE0V2E[^]
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I've seemingly bricked my wife's 6 month old all in one HP Envy after attempting the update to Win 8.1. The update failed on restart, and the system said it needed to restore back to Win 8...which it did, and restarted and everything seemed fine. Two days later when she really needs to use it, it has turned itself off, and refuses to boot...the little dots start spinning and either just stop, or just go away, and nothing happens. Twice it has displayed a message about running a restore, but both times, it just becomes totally unresponsive.
I don't have installation media for the computer, but do have my own Win8 that I will probably try booting from to do a repair.
One of these days, I am going to stick to the plan about not working on other people's computers...including family. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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There must be a way to launch the restore partition. Go into the bios and see.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Can you get to the advanced tool menu on boot ?
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