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Shog9 wrote:
It's like The Lounge, only better!
Funny 
Nick Parker
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A tiny gripe.
When I click the "New Message" in the forums it loads the page I sm seeing now.
"However it doesn't tell me which forum I'm posting to."
This isn't normally a problem but occasionally the pages load slowly and I go make a coffee or do some other stuff while the page loads.
When I return, I feel unsure as where I'm posting the message to.
However I have learned now to check the URL in my address box to see where the message is going.
Just a thought.
Regardz
Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining.
Said by Roger Wright about me.
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I'll second that. It's happened to me several times. I now live in fear that by accident i'll flame someone's question in C++ or correctly answer one in the Soapbox... 
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Shog9
If I could sleep forever, I could forget about everything...
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Cheers Shogi,
Actually I have noticed a few messages of yours in the past that appeared to be a bit out of place, maybe now we have an explanation.
Regardz
Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining.
Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Colin^Davies wrote:
maybe now we have an explanation.
I like it. It it sounds better than the "i don't know where i am, even IRL" explaination... 
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Shog9
If I could sleep forever, I could forget about everything...
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Done.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Kewl !
Looks good ! <bnice bold<="" b=""> woring.
Full marks !
Thanks
Regardz
Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining.
Said by Roger Wright about me.
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I was looking for an article I saw some time ago about a prog to change the display mode via a simple command line program.
So, I typed in "change display mode".
Result: Page 1 of 10 (items 1 - 10 of 100)
I didn't find it within the first 10 articles, so I press <next>.
Result: No matches found.
What's wrong? 
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I was pressing 'Next' when I got 'No matches found'.
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It looks like you were moved to another server in between requests and that server's search catalog may need rescanning. Fixed one the other day so I'll take another look at them all ASAP.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Russ Freeman wrote:
What would be great is a way of converting those edited articles into unedited so that we can update them without the hassle and delay of emailing the changes
Click on the [Get Article's HTML] link and you'll get the edited html source for your article. Now if you make changes to this source and submit it, Chris or the editor handling it will be able to update it quickly unless you have made a lot of changes to the html that does not match CP norms.
Russ Freeman wrote:
So why don't we remove the dictinction and have all articles created equal.
Edited articles have gone through a filtering process, checks have been made and the html formatted to reflect CP look and feel. Unedited ones might look anyway they want to. A minimum level of quality is maintained in the edited section. Unedited ones may be of poor quality, might be advertisements of commercial products, buggy methods etc...
Russ Freeman wrote:
Editing only gives some minor corrections to spelling and such and doesn't *actually* test the article to ensure it builds etc. (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Editors don't just reformat the HTML or correct grammar and spelling. The editors test out the sources at least once, usually building the sources and doing a quick test-out of the application. If minor errors or problems are encountered, depending on their nature, the errors are either corrected or the article author contacted. Sometimes screenshots have to be resized or compressed. Unwanted files may be removed from zip files. etc...
In several cases even the correctness of the code have to be verified. And has happened too.
Russ Freeman wrote:
On a side note I'd much prefer the ability to edit all of my articles so would love it if someone could convert my articles so I can edit them myself.
Usually it's non-english speaking people who have a problem with the language and the formatting. If you take your html using the [Get Article's HTML], make your changes sticking to CP styles and sent it to Chris, your article will get updated sooner than otherwise.
These are just some of my own thoughts on the issue. Chris might be able to answer you better.
Regards,
Nish
Author of the romantic comedy
Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win]
Review by Shog9
Click here for review[NW]
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Russ Freeman wrote:
but editors have made changes to the layout (which I don't want).
I remember my earlier days on CP when I used to submit articles using my own custom look and feel and I used to be annoyed when the editors modified it to fit the CP look. I understand the annoyances you might be having on this issue, but one very good thing about CP is that all of its edited articles maintain a uniform layout and appearance. As you say, the editors do make layout and formatting changes, but they do it following a set of guidelines which have to be stuck to.
Russ Freeman wrote:
The 'look' is a very minor edit and doesn't give any extra real quality for the article, only a thin percieved quality that means nothing when it comes to actually using the code from an article.
This might be partially true, but we can't have different articles on the site with totally different looks. Uniformity is an essential part of any set of UI guidelines and CP is no different from that.
It might astonish you that many articles have been ignored merely because the formatting was messy even though the technical content of those articles were quite good.
Russ Freeman wrote:
This is 'quality' editing IMO and the community should be responsible for it - not just a handful of editors
It is quite impossible for the handful of editors to do a thoroguh source review. The editors only do a quick run through of the demo sources and the code snippets. The 100s of thousands of CP viewers are there to do the full length review.
Russ Freeman wrote:
If high quality is the reason for edits then it's not working
Every single edited article may not of be the highest quality. But a bare minimum standard is maintained. It is true that there still are several very very good articles in the unedited sections. The editors are trying their best to edit and move them all into the respective sections.
Russ Freeman wrote:
As I said; I would like a method of converting my articles from edited to unedited. I'm prepared to lose the percieved quality associated with having my article HTML beautified just so I can update the articles in my time scale and not someone else's.
Russ, I fully comprehend your issue. But you must realize that not every article submitter is a Russ Freeman. Many of the authors are people who do not use english as a spoken or even written language. In such cases it would be highly suicidal to allow them to directly enter articles into a section.
Russ Freeman wrote:
However, if you truly believe that unedited articles are in some way of less quality than their edited counterparts then perhaps the distinction should be removed altogether
No. Unedited articles are not classed as bad or of poorer quality. It's just that there eis a higher chance that one of the unedited articles will be poor in quality. There are some excellent articles in the unedited section. To establish this point I must add that the current highest rated article on CP by Paul Watson is an enedited article and the first 27 votes it received were all 5s.
Russ Freeman wrote:
The Submission Wizard is so great
Yes, it is. I wish more people would use it too.
Perhaps Chris has some kinda plan to make it easier for authors to submit article updates on their edited articles.
Basically the authors can make life a lot easier by following a few simple CP formatting guidelines. But then as you say, for people like you it'd mean the extra effort of maintaining two different copies of an article.
Anyhow the delay time in an update getting reflected is lessening as Chris has now added some extra editors who will help him to focus more on his other CP priorities.
I am the newest editor and so some of my comments may not have made full sense. Kindly pardon me for any fool-remarks I might have unknowingly uttered in this post.
Regards,
Nish
Author of the romantic comedy
Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win]
Review by Shog9
Click here for review[NW]
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Russ Freeman wrote:
Editing only gives some minor corrections to spelling and such
No - editing ensures that articles are of sufficient quality, that they are sufficiently different to those already posted, are categorized properly, are of the standard format, have the spelling and grammar corrected and that all the links, zips, images are OK.
What you don't see are the number of articles I reject, or the difference between the submitted version and the posted version for authors who have English as their second language or simply aren't good with HTML. It may seem a small thing to have the articles all readable, all formatted the same way, have the links work and not have spelling and grammar mistakes but when you add it all up over 2,600 articles it makes a very big, but often subtle difference.
The problem is I don't scale very well but I'm working on it. Please be patient as I setup systems to allow the other editors to take more of the immeditate workload off me.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Russ Freeman wrote:
The look and feel of my articles fits as near to perfectly with CP as is possible.
That is your problem, man. You make it too easy.  Have you noticed that some strange looking (ugly) articles never get edited? You need to make sure your font/color/style is as different from the CP standard as possible, then no editor would want to touch yours.
Seriously, updating an article through one of editors doesn't really take that long, especially after superman Nish started helping.
Of course, it is better to have radio buttons to provide the following choices when submitting an article:
1. I know my article looks good and is of high quality, don't you dare to edit it.
2. I know my article looks ugly but that's the way I want, don't you dare to eidt it.
3. Help me correct spelling, grammar, and fix all the bugs in code, please.
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anonymous wrote:
Have you noticed that some strange looking (ugly) articles never get edited?
anonymous wrote:
2. I know my article looks ugly but that's the way I want, don't you dare to eidt it.
I'm sorry, but i read far more articles than i update, and this seems terribly petty and arrogant to me. From what i've seen, the *really* ugly articles that don't get edited tend to be the ones that are so completely worthless, often because of the formatting, that no-one even reads them. Why you'd want this for your article is beyond me.
If you really think there are problems with CP's formatting, i'd think you'd be better off bringing them up in this forum; your lone article, crying out in the wilderness, isn't going to make that much of a difference in the end. Even someone posting as many articles as Nish didn't get the color scheme changed to gray .
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Shog9
If I could sleep forever, I could forget about everything...
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"... this seems terribly petty and arrogant to me ..."
I guess you don't find my post funny. That's ok, you never know what will piss someone off these days. There could be somebody out there who, for example, finds it extremely ugly and tasteless to have a superscript in one's user id. But who cares
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Anonymous wrote:
I guess you don't find my post funny.
You make light of a serious issue. 
Anonymous wrote:
There could be somebody out there who, for example, finds it extremely ugly and tasteless to have a superscript in one's user id.
It wouldn't suprise me. User id's can be very anoying some times... personally, i find ones with a gray, un-clickable head next to them annoying.
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Shog9
If I could sleep forever, I could forget about everything...
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If you think grey, unclickable heads are bad, just wait until you go bald. 
Without darkness, there are no dreams.
-Karla Kuban
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How on earth did you find this thread??
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Beats me, I was searching the archives for help on CSS for articles.
Without darkness, there are no dreams.
-Karla Kuban
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Previously, if one article references another article and the referenced article got moved by the editor, when you click the out-dated link, CP will find and display the correct link.
Unfortunately, the feature is gone now. CP will only tell you "Page not found".
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