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Re: Keyboard shortcuts vs. Mouse David Wulff11-Apr-04 0:12 David Wulff 11-Apr-04 0:12  Marc Clifton wrote: do you use the mouse to cut & paste a line of code five lines up. That depends. Soemtimes I will use the keyboard and sometimes I will use the context-drag or even shortcut-drag method of moving stuff around. Typically, I guess, I use the keyboard for horizontal navigation but the mouse for anything other than moving a single line vertically. I'm a big fan of selecting text on the same line using they keyboard shortcuts. Marc Clifton wrote: Are you one of those people that starts the debugger using the mouse to click on "Debug/Start" ??? At work, yes, because the pos machine is so damned slow you have to hit the shortcut keys a few times to get a click registered. Elsewhere though, no, although I use F5 / Ctrl+F5 for that example most other commands will be executed in the ALT+F+S style. (A bad habbit I seem unable to loose.) David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum Putting the laughter back into slaughter Re: Keyboard shortcuts vs. Mouse Philippe Lhoste15-Apr-04 6:31 Philippe Lhoste 15-Apr-04 6:31  I use keyboard shortcuts a lot (I always remove the Copy, Cut, Paste and Undo icons from the toolbars...) but I also like drag'n'drop a lot. Margin click & drag can be very fast too. Depends on the task, mood, visibility of lines, etc. Also great to avoid messing up the clipboard content (I can't get used to clipboard managers, I guess . I should retry again, I found ArsClip quite good for this) Philippe Lhoste (Paris -- France) Professional programmer and amateur artist http://jove.prohosting.com/~philho/ What about special characters {}[]:;&gt;&lt; etc.? Todd Smith6-Apr-04 13:21 Todd Smith 6-Apr-04 13:21  What about special characters {}[]:;><, numbers, etc.? I bet the results would change drastically if it wasn't plain text. Todd Smith Re: What about special characters {}[]:;&gt;&lt; etc.? jlovell9-Apr-04 7:13 jlovell 9-Apr-04 7:13  Absolutely. Honestly, I can type up to 60 words per minute if it is plain text. However, when it comes back down to the code, I only type at an average rate of 30-40 words per minute and sometimes peaking up to 45 words per minute. I answered the survey as if I was writing code because when I am on the keyboard, I am mostly writing code. Justin Lovell Re: What about special characters {}[]:;&gt;&lt; etc.? Max Santos9-Apr-04 14:31 Max Santos 9-Apr-04 14:31  may be not, those are the most used characters for the C++ Developers MSN:maxsnts@hotmail.com Re: What about special characters {}[]:;>< etc.? Ashley van Gerven10-Apr-04 14:51 Ashley van Gerven 10-Apr-04 14:51  yeah they would be higher! as programmer's we're probly faster at typing code than literature passages... though i must admit i sometimes battle with $, %, ^. Re: What about special characters {}[]:;&gt;&lt; etc.? Philippe Lhoste15-Apr-04 6:51 Philippe Lhoste 15-Apr-04 6:51  It is even worse for some non-English keyboards, like my French one, where accented characters are easy to type, but #{[|\@]} and such characters need the AltGr key to access (AltGr is actually a one-key equivalent to Ctrl+Alt). Philippe Lhoste (Paris -- France) Professional programmer and amateur artist http://jove.prohosting.com/~philho/ It's not how fast you type Michael P Butler6-Apr-04 5:04 Michael P Butler 6-Apr-04 5:04  It's how fast you can Alt-Tab back into your IDE when the boss walks into the room Michael But you know when the truth is told, That you can get what you want or you can just get old, Your're going to kick off before you even get halfway through. When will you realise... Vienna waits for you? - "The Stranger," Billy Joel Re: It's not how fast you type Damir Valiulin6-Apr-04 6:48 Damir Valiulin 6-Apr-04 6:48  Got my laugh and 5 points! &lt; 10 milisecond Aqualic8-Apr-04 22:05 Aqualic 8-Apr-04 22:05  Oh on! my boss is coming.;P Re: It's not how fast you type Michael Dunn10-Apr-04 19:31 Michael Dunn 10-Apr-04 19:31  Even better, assign Alt+Tab to an auxillary mouse button (I use the small thumb button on the MS Intellimouse Explorer). That way you just hit the button, saving a precious few milliseconds over having to get your fingers in position for Alt+Tab. You just have to make sure that the IDE is the next window in order after your (browser|RSS reader). --Mike-- Personal stuff:: Ericahist | Homepage Shareware stuff:: 1ClickPicGrabber | RightClick-Encrypt CP stuff:: CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ ---- "Just because the box has 2 gigabytes of memory doesn't mean you get to use it all!"   -- Rico Mariani, CLR perf guy Re: It's not how fast you type David Wulff11-Apr-04 0:19 David Wulff 11-Apr-04 0:19  Michael Dunn wrote: That way you just hit the button, saving a precious few milliseconds over having to get your fingers in position for Alt+Tab. Amateur!! You should have your left hand resting on the ALT+TAB buttons all the time when 'taking a break'. I always browse one handed anyway... What would happen if you were forced to use a machine where your rodent didn't have thumb buttons? These are skills no programmer should be without. Michael Dunn wrote: You just have to make sure that the IDE is the next window in order after your (browser|RSS reader). That has bitten me more times than I can remember. I usually get caught out if I have selected an IM window and then opened a browser over the top of it so I forget it's next in the list, then get caught in a frantic ALT+TAB frenzy trying to get rid of the half dozen windows that suddenly appeared over my IDE. David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum Putting the laughter back into slaughter Re: It's not how fast you type p daddy11-Apr-04 5:30 p daddy 11-Apr-04 5:30  When i worked in an office (I'm now freelance working from home ), I always mapped my middle mouse button to minimise. It made more sense to me than alt+tabbing, since this might not cover up the offending program! Cheers, Paul Depends on the keyboard Michael P Butler6-Apr-04 5:01 Michael P Butler 6-Apr-04 5:01  If it is my usual desktop keyboard then I'm pretty fast (although the backspace key still gets used a lot). However, put me infront of a strangers keyboard or even on my laptop keyboard and my speed slows down and the mistakes increase. That's the problem with not looking at the keys when you type. Michael But you know when the truth is told, That you can get what you want or you can just get old, Your're going to kick off before you even get halfway through. When will you realise... Vienna waits for you? - "The Stranger," Billy Joel Re: Depends on the keyboard Heath Stewart6-Apr-04 10:57 Heath Stewart 6-Apr-04 10:57  Same problem here. I use a natural keyboard at home and at the office and have a lot of trouble on other types. Of course, the knarled fingers don't help!   Microsoft MVP, Visual C# My Articles Re: Depends on the keyboard 6-Apr-04 17:34 6-Apr-04 17:34  Same here. The thing that most affects my typing speed, I've found, is how easy the keys are to press. I hate keyboards where you have to push hard on the keys when typing. Re: Depends on the keyboard WillemM6-Apr-04 21:23 WillemM 6-Apr-04 21:23  My keyboard is half-broken. The right shift key doesn't work properly anymore It dramatically slows my typing ! Greetings.... Re: Depends on the keyboard John M. Drescher7-Apr-04 3:16 John M. Drescher 7-Apr-04 3:16  I agree. And if it is one of those darn natural keyboards I am down to hunting an pecking. Another thing that slows me to a crawl is if some of the keys are in non standard places. John Re: Depends on the keyboard Aaron Eldreth7-Apr-04 9:10 Aaron Eldreth 7-Apr-04 9:10  This is soo true. I type quickly, and the Backspace is used very frequently. However, on my friends computer, his backspace is in the wrong place, and I can't type anything on his keyboard. Aaron Eldreth TheCollective4.com Re: Depends on the keyboard Prakash Nadar7-Apr-04 18:03 Prakash Nadar 7-Apr-04 18:03  yeah true, i get pretty much screwed up when i am typing on a laptop keyboard. MSN Messenger. prakashnadar@msn.com "If history isn't good, just burn it." - Sidhuism. Re: Depends on the keyboard Anonymous8-Apr-04 11:22 Anonymous 8-Apr-04 11:22  I used to be able to type very fast on my old ThinkPad... but the new one has a poor quality keyboard. I still got over 75wpm on it, though. Personally, I love the classic old IBM clicky keyboard. Not to mention those things are built to last a thousand years. And for some odd reason people give them away, so you can find them in thrift shops for $1.99 quite easily! Train yourself Zenpt6-Apr-04 2:09 Zenpt 6-Apr-04 2:09  Passed from 2finger "pecker" to 32wpm quickly (my actual avg speed)thanks to the soft on the link. I expect to reach 40wpm, at least... then i'll be happy Why more then that? Re: Train yourself p daddy11-Apr-04 5:31 p daddy 11-Apr-04 5:31  >Why more than that? (40 WPM) I type at 60-70 WPM, and it shaves vital minutes off my day! Paul Wow, 532 words per minute! shiggity s5-Apr-04 22:14 shiggity s 5-Apr-04 22:14  Just kidding. Re: Wow, 532 words per minute! Emilio Garavaglia6-Apr-04 21:03 Emilio Garavaglia 6-Apr-04 21:03  Wow! How many "bugs" do you code while typing so fater ? isn't it better to type slower and reflect?

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