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Well if you need to target .NET 2.0 then you'll need to upgrade. And ASP.NET 2, really does look sweet.
Michael
CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Michael P Butler wrote:
Well if you need to target .NET 2.0 then you'll need to upgrade. And ASP.NET 2, really does look sweet.
Yes, both of those would fall under "when I need to or when it would make my work more productive" 
Regards,
Brian Dela
Co-author of the Microsoft Outlook Answer Book[^].
Now Bloging![^]
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You might want to check your link to the Outlook Answer book, I keep getting "Product not found". So unless the link is a subtle joke about how difficult it is to get answers to outlook problems, you may want to change it. 
Michael
CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Thanks Michael. AW seemed to have removed the product page.
Regards,
Brian Dela
Now Bloging![^]
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Brian Delahunty wrote:
when there are some features of the IDE that I actually need or would help me to be more productive in my job
Refactoring?
"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower
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jdunlap wrote:
Refactoring?
True.
Regards,
Brian Dela
Now Bloging![^]
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If you can't find SOMETHING in VS2005 to improve your productivity or give you a feature that you really like then either you're not looking very hard, or you really aren't doing much programming.
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Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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I already use visual studio 2005 just because the IDE is improved enormously. I only miss the class wizard from VS 6.0, but I think that I'll get over it soon.
Some things I like about VS 2005:
<list>
Improved intellisense
Integrated testing (although I don't know how to use it yet)
Tabbed windows
Complete customizable GUI
Improved compiler
Support for native code
The things I don't like about VS 2005
<list>
No class wizard 
It crashed more than VS 6.0 (Good hopes for the official release)
I really hope that the official release becomes just as stable as VS 6.0, but with so many integrated features and customizable things there just have to be bugs...
I also got the blogging virus..[^]
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It's a beta version you know, they tend to crash....
I think the official version won't crash that often if you report the crashes to microsoft. So they can do something about it
WM.
What about weapons of mass-construction?
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Bob Stanneveld wrote:
Some things I like about VS 2005:
Improved intellisense
Integrated testing (although I don't know how to use it yet)
Tabbed windows
Complete customizable GUI
Improved compiler
Support for native code
That sounds promising, but I still haven't heard whether they fixed the bugs that really bother me in VC 2002. In particular, did they fix the bug in which they substituted numbers for command IDs in the resource file, and did they fix the bug in which when you used their code to automatically add a message handler to the mainframe in one project of the workspace, it would sometimes put the implementation in the other? These seem like major IDE failures to me, and I do not want to upgrade till they are fixed.
Nathan Holt
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I didn't experiance any of those nasty things, but I haven't used the IDE very extensively. All I can say is that I'm very happy with it and that I will exploit it as much as I can.
I don't know if MS gives them in your neighbourhood, but here in holland, MS is giving free crash courses for migrating to VS 2005. I already put the date in my agenda .
I also got the blogging virus..[^]
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I hope that they've fixed those bugs, especially the one that corresponds to message handler code generation.
Of course there are many others. IDE sometimes just hangs at startup utilizing 100% CPU. This somehow correlates with the number of open documents (hangs if there are no open documents).
Software is too expensive to build cheaply...
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I think the guys at MS are implementing new features instead of fixing bugs and improving performance.
And the half class wizard is extremly slowly, its poor stuff.
I dont like in that you cant delete a member or a user definded function with the GUI. Also if you change the access mode for wizarded functions you get another access entry in the header file.
I hope the developers in MS have to use their actual product. 
But I bet the use VC 6, because the can debug W9x!!!
Try this @ home. (B&B)
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I intend to use VC++ 6, VC++ 7.1 and VC++ 2005 side by side.
Nish
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Bob Stanneveld wrote:
Why?
I have clients using VC6, some using VC 7.1 and some who will use VC 2005. So I've got to support all versions.
Nish
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So he can get something else done in VC6 while waiting for the sluggish UI's to respond in 03 and 05.
onwards and upwards...
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Nishant S wrote:
I intend to use VC++ 6, VC++ 7.1 and VC++ 2005 side by side.
The same for me. Got one active project on VC++ 6, a C++ project that uses VS2003 - neither of those will be using the new compiler. Its not worth the hassle.
All my C# projects will be upgrade to .NET 2.0, so VS2005 will be a must.
Michael
CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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whoa.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Chris,
I bought and installed .NET knowing I would rarely (if ever) use .NET framework. I liked a few of the changes to the UI; but, it was too much of a hog to justify keeping it on my machine. I know many other developers who have done just the same. It seems this surprises you? Maybe you have insight to justify why we should install this beast?
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Invest in RAM. It's becoming a necessity for a developer to have at least 1GB of memory, and 2GB wouldn't hurt if you plan to run Virtual PC for your test environment (and shame on anyone that doesn't... undo disk are amazing)
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Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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...because migration from .NET was a total mess (CString behavior changed for instance), we returned back to VC6.
By the way, I'm preparing for my collegues a new framework based on Dev-cpp 4.9.9.2, GCC 3.4.2, GDB 6.3.1, wxWidgets 2.5.4, SDL 1.2.8, STLport 2.4.2 and Boost 1.3.2 !
Bye bye Microsoft, project files in Dev-cpp are compatible against each new version, not like the dsp/vcproj hell !
Kochise
In Code we trust !
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Kochise wrote:
Dev-cpp 4.9.9.2, GCC 3.4.2, GDB 6.3.1, wxWidgets 2.5.4, SDL 1.2.8, STLport 2.4.2 and Boost 1.3.2
Now there's a catchy name! 
Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen
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Too much hassle (change all DLLs, change all Libs, keep both of
em up-to-date, because we've got a bunch of legacy apps)
for too less gain (the only advantage.. a better standard libary).. and i don't like the New Developer Studio.
All the label says is that this stuff contains chemicals "... known to the State of California to cause cancer in rats and low-income test subjects."
Roger Wright
http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?select=965687&exp=5&fr=1#xx965687xx
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