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Navin wrote:
(p.s., wrong forum)
In older surveys, there was an "Other:" text entry box. It was always amusing to look through the people who'd type a programming question there!!
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Maybe he/she meant Smart Casual Extensions?
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Maybe he's talking about wearable computing? 
/ravi
Let's put "civil" back in "civilization"
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After 20 years of professional life, my dress code has almost always been self-imposed. When I first graduated from college, I tended to wear shirt/tie/jacket. I was 23, but looked like I was 16. Dressing the part helped, especially when I was dealing with (older/more experienced) engineers at customer sites. My boss didn't insist on it.
Of course that no longer applies (I'm now one of the old farts). I dress casually (polo shirt, Dockers or jeans, casual shoes). At that, I tend to outdress most of my coworkers. The young guys tend to wear T-shirts, jeans, and tennis shoes, while the guys up to my boss's level tend to wear jeans.
I've noticed, however, that how you dress still tends to affect how others deal with you. This is most noticeable when I've been in meetings with other departments like Sales and Marketing, where perceptions are important.
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I was told that as far as a dress code went, they'd be highly disappointed if I did turn up for work in a suit
As us developers here never deal directly with the public, and games are sold as shrinkwrapped titles, not to a particular client, they really don't care what we wear (although you do spot the odd financial or marketing guy in a suit when someone important is visiting)
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benjymous wrote:
be highly disappointed if I did turn up for work in a suit
When I used to come to work in shoes, the CFO would asked where I'd been for an interview. 
Oh, those were the days.
My current employer doesn't believe that developers need a swimming pool and tennis court to be productive. Go figure.
Cheers,
Simon
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I worked with a guy who regularily took his shirt off when he got to work...dress code or not, that was disturbing! I'd rather that he only took his shoes off.
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There's no dress code where I work (except: "wear a tie on sea trials and you'll get laughed at  ) so at the moment I tend to wear jeans, boots and either a shirt or sweatshirt - together with a waistcoat to disguise my figure. 
Once I change role in January I can either stay totally casual (which is probably what everyone's expecting) or surprise everybody and turn up in a business suit (short skirt, blouse and jacket...).
Either way, January could be an interesting month!
Anna ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia Graesch
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Turn up in fishnets, high-heels, and a blouse with a plunging neckline - you MUST!!! It'd be priceless.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
Turn up in fishnets, high-heels, and a blouse with a plunging neckline - you MUST!!! It'd be priceless.
It certainly would - but it would also fit the public stereotype of a transsexual and not do my credibility any good at all!
What I'll probably do is go really, really casual, take it slowly...and then just surprise them one day.
If I did do it, a gothic look would probably work much better (black rather suits me...).
Anna
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia Graesch
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What dress to wear is probably not that important for you, comparing to which bathroom to use
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That is tasteless. Even worse that you must hide behind a anonymous post. Shame on you. 
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Tasteless yes, but it raises some interesting questions. I don't think twice before doing "men things" like entering the mens room or scratching my arse in public. When you've done something like that all your life I can imagine it will be very hard to suddenly drop them! I'm sure there are hundreds of little things we all take for granted like that. If you've seen that British movie (damn I've forgotten the name  where the girl is placed inside a boy's body for about a week, you'll see just how different the two sexes are in their behaviour. How Anna will cope I don't know - it will be like living in an alien! 
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright
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David Wulff wrote:
Tasteless yes, but it raises some interesting questions. I don't think twice before doing "men things" like entering the mens room or scratching my arse in public. When you've done something like that all your life I can imagine it will be very hard to suddenly drop them! I'm sure there are hundreds of little things we all take for granted like that. If you've seen that British movie (damn I've forgotten the name ) where the girl is placed inside a boy's body for about a week, you'll see just how different the two sexes are in their behaviour. How Anna will cope I don't know - it will be like living in an alien!
As far as body language and mannerisms are concerned, if I was psychologically male, then I could see that there could be a problem (but then I wouldn't be in this position!). However, since I accepted who I really was last year I've noticed my body language gradually becoming more feminine as I've felt less and less inclined to carry on acting a role which is foreign to me.
Now, no matter how I appear, my body language and mannerisms are female (and that's caused some hilarity at times ) so really there's no problem for me - I'm female inside, and only superficially male outside (and even that's fading now).
I never realised how different male society and female society are until I went out "in role" for the first time in August. It was quite an eye-opener I can tell you!
The bathroom issue can be a problem in some places...but I have a good feeling about my company in that regard. Certainly, I've never been challenged when I've used the Ladies anywhere else so far - and hopefully it will stay that way.
So really, the "living in an alien" thing more applies to my past life, not my future.
Anna
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia Graesch
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However, since I accepted who I really was last year I've noticed my body language gradually becoming more feminine as I've felt less and less inclined to carry on acting a role which is foreign to me.
This is one of those "nurture" vs. "nature" questions, but I'm quite curious--do you feel that male and female mannerisms are learned (essentially, I guess, through imitation, thus we would have our great-great-great neanderthals to thank???), or are mannerisms that are attributed to one sex more than the other something that you feel comes out of your own natural tendencies (which ultimately could lead to some interesting spiritual discussions--previous lives, soul, etc)?
I remember when I was a kid and I liked to cross my legs in the "girl" style (not knowing there was any right or wrong way for a boy to cross his legs) and I would get teased awfully by the modern day neanderthals in my class. The fact that I can remember this to this day, 30 years later, means that it really had an impact on me, and I'm still self conscious about it.
That leads to another question, which has to do with whether mannerisms are really quite arbitrary, and just happen to fall into "girl" or "guy" mannerisms based on the societal view?
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
This is one of those "nurture" vs. "nature" questions, but I'm quite curious--do you feel that male and female mannerisms are learned (essentially, I guess, through imitation, thus we would have our great-great-great neanderthals to thank???), or are mannerisms that are attributed to one sex more than the other something that you feel comes out of your own natural tendencies (which ultimately could lead to some interesting spiritual discussions--previous lives, soul, etc)?
It’s difficult to say really…my guess is that the way we act is influenced both by our own nature and by the way we see our peers acting. For example, I’ve always been a pretty mild mannered and emotional person, and gender issues aside I wouldn’t expect my mannerisms and body language to match those of a girl who was a self confessed “tomboy” (more stereotypes I’m afraid).
Interestingly enough, I’ve heard it said that post-transition transsexuals often act in a more feminine manner than is the norm in female society. I’d say that this supports our desire (consciously or unconsciously) to “fit-in” with our peers. From what friends have said to me I suspect that’s the case with me as well – but I don’t really mind – it’s a reflection of who I am, after all.
Psychology is a fascinating subject, isn’t it?
Marc Clifton wrote:
I remember when I was a kid and I liked to cross my legs in the "girl" style (not knowing there was any right or wrong way for a boy to cross his legs) and I would get teased awfully by the modern day neanderthals in my class. The fact that I can remember this to this day, 30 years later, means that it really had an impact on me, and I'm still self conscious about it.
I do find it highly objectionable when people are victimised because of their interests and mannerisms. When I was at school, I remember quite clearly that anyone with long hair was villified. More seriously, in my last job one guy in my Department “came out” as a cross-desser, and was continually insulted from then onwards – the Departmental Manager being the worst offender. 
Marc Clifton wrote:
That leads to another question, which has to do with whether mannerisms are really quite arbitrary, and just happen to fall into "girl" or "guy" mannerisms based on the societal view?
In the general case, I suspect the mannerisms we adopt are a reflection of both our character and how we see our peers acting. What isn’t always obvious to members of the “other” camp is that some mannerisms arise for reasons of practicality. Your example of the way females cross their legs is an obvious example – the male way just doesn’t work if you’re wearing a short or tight skirt!
Sadly, as we seem to need to separate people into categories based on sex, it then becomes socially unacceptable for a guy to act in a feminine manner, or vice-versa.
Anna ![Rose | [Rose]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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David Wulff wrote:
it will be like living in an alien!
I must say, regardless of your "bathroom" situation, living in an alien would be a tough task!
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That's not a problem.
If I appear in public as a guy, I use the Gents (distasteful though I find them, it's the sensible thing to do).
If I appear as myself, I use the Ladies.
Anna
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Anna  wrote:
If I appear in public as a guy, I use the Gents (distasteful though I find them, it's the sensible thing to do).
Even though I have no inclination to change sexes* I use the ladies myelf whenever I can get away with it without being noticed. Male toilets are an utter disgrace! How can so many people continuously miss the urinals and piss all over the floor? And the smell! There is nothing more nausiating in this world than the stench of stale urine - it literally burns your nostrils. 
* Well maybe if I could actually swap minds with a woman for 24 hours that would be cool - just give me a mirrored wall, a cucumber, and a king sized bed and I'll be happy as Larry all day 
"Life, as well as software, has bugs." - Roger Wright
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David Wulff wrote:
Even though I have no inclination to change sexes* I use the ladies myelf whenever I can get away with it without being noticed. Male toilets are an utter disgrace! How can so many people continuously miss the urinals and piss all over the floor? And the smell! There is nothing more nausiating in this world than the stench of stale urine - it literally burns your nostrils.
I don’t blame you Dave – most Gents are disgusting.
David Wulff wrote:
* Well maybe if I could actually swap minds with a woman for 24 hours that would be cool - just give me a mirrored wall, a cucumber, and a king sized bed and I'll be happy as Larry all day
I’m not saying anything about my future plans.
The funny part is after surgery, I’ll have to use a dilator (dildo in everyday language) for a minimum of two hours a day for the first few months to prevent my new plumbing from “healing”. 
At least one surgeon I’ve heard of advocates using a vibrator instead to make the whole experience a little bit more fun... 
Anna
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia Graesch
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The funny part is after surgery, I’ll have to use a dilator (dildo in everyday language) for a minimum of two hours a day...
<thump... as Rob falls off his chair>
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
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That's what I thought when I first read about it!
"Doctors orders: buy a dildo and use it." 
Anna
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Anna wrote:
The funny part is after surgery, I’ll have to use a dilator (dildo in everyday language) for a minimum of two hours a day for the first few months to prevent my new plumbing from “healing”.
Anna wrote:
At least one surgeon I’ve heard of advocates using a vibrator instead to make the whole experience a little bit more fun...
When are you going to find time to do this? The time has to be >2hrs!
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Crazy isn't it? I didn't know about this until earlier this year.
I've learnt a lot by reading other people's accounts of their transition and surgery, and the one thing that comes across very strongly is hope. Although the prospect of having such major surgery is daunting, I don't (oddly enough) find it particularly scary. To the clinics that specialise in it, it's almost routine now.
I've said it before though - this isn't a road you walk unless you're really sure about it!
David Stone wrote:
When are you going to find time to do this? The time has to be >2hrs!
I don't have a choice. The recommendation I've read is six 20 minute sessions per day, at 3 hour intervals, which could be a little tricky at work, but I'll find a way.
Anna
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia Graesch
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Get the hell out of my bathroom. I thought I locked up and turned on the alarm before I left home.
Tim Smith
I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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