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"You may of course pull up some objective, undisputable facts. Then you apply these facts in your argumentation, in very subjective ways."
How else can make one's case?
Objective, indisputable facts is the fuel to settle an argument. Application is not subjective. It is required.
True, settling an argument can also become "might makes right". But we all know that's the evil side.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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+1 here 
Mircea
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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
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honey the codewitch wrote: Motive. Motive. Motive.
During the Apollo missions we came together as a country to compete against the Russians. The motive to fake that wasn't worth the expense of faking it.
Now, we're being torn apart from the inside as some very corrupt people are trying to grow the government and remove every last ounce of freedom we don't have anymore. The motive to destroy this republic is worth faking a ton of crap.
The US is turning into a 3rd world right before our very eyes, and for the same reason it always happens, a corrupt few at the top are seeking unrivaled power at the expense of the public.
But, the average person doesn't need to worry about any of this, they have Netflix and a new food pyramid that includes sugary cereals.
Jeremy Falcon
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I agree with all of this. I'm just saying when there's finger pointing about conspiracies there's typically not enough questioning of the motives behind it. And yet that's an effective tool for determining whether it's even worth looking into.
I'm not about blind trust, I'm about ruling out the highly improbable before it buries me such that I can never find the truth.
Garry Kasparov said that the point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.
He was on point. You have to weed and filter before you can hope to come across something.
Everyone on the Internet can make up a story, and if you chase all those stories you'll never know the truth of things.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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honey the codewitch wrote: I'm not about blind trust, I'm about ruling out the highly improbable before it buries me such that I can never find the truth.
Totally agree. A lot of conspiracies are just small-minded folks wanting to feel important, like they're the special ones that figured something out. My last chat with flat Earthers (which scarred me for life  ) is a great example of people strongly believing in something despite the fact they never one had a critical thought on the subject or dare I say pick up a book on it.
It's not just conspiracies though. That's just human nature with an average mind. Well maybe below average. I've had the same exact types of chats regarding crypto before the burst. I knew better. I knew which projects would fail. I knew the burst was coming. But, I still lost money because the clueless people that emotionally believe something with zero knowledge on the subject can be so convincing. And they far, far outnumber those who think. Turns out I was right and still lost money. Go figure.
Jeremy Falcon
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Ya know, flying elephant turds are considered a delicacy in some countries. 
Jeremy Falcon
modified 13-Feb-23 15:23pm.
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What's more plausible... aliens with advance tech that were somehow able to be suppressed by us low tech human n00bs or the government creating yet another story to fool the sheeple with into giving up more freedoms?
And why is it... in the days of 8K video and satellite lenses that can see windshield wipers... every shot of these things are poor quality. I wonder why.
Jeremy Falcon
modified 13-Feb-23 15:09pm.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: What's more plausible... aliens with advance tech that were somehow able to be suppressed by us low tech human n00bs or the government creating yet another story to fool the sheeple with into giving up more freedoms?
Err...neither.
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Don't reply to me dude. Seriously.
Jeremy Falcon
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OK?
Oh wait that is a reply right?
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BillWoodruff wrote: by the ways we, homo saps, are destroying each other, and the planet.
Well, it is our planet.
Not like we signed some interplaneterial agreement to keep it tidy or such..?
..but more likely, some governments shooting down "enemy" satellites.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Using balloons for surveillance and warfare is an old science.
Not alien at all.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Professor Brian Cox[^] put it best today:
Quote: I've always suspected that an advanced alien civilisation with the technology to travel at close to light speed across interstellar distances would arrive in Earth orbit unobserved and proceed to dispatch a fleet of small, easily detectable balloons into our atmosphere.
Yep, that’s it. Must be aliens!
Mircea
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From a sites community when someone had tried to download a non existent version:
Quote: No we don’t have a VIB for VMware. Sorry about that. Looks like ChatGPT made up what the instructions might look like if we did have one. Alas we don’t, so it’s a work of fiction that you got from ChatGPT.
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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I had the same experience with chatGPT when I asked it:
"how can I make tabbed content using bootstrap?"
I wanted something like this simple example I had created in the past[^].
The first thing chatGPT did was offer a code example that used a non-existent version of bootstrap.
I was boggled on that one.
I went round & round with chatGPT but it never could create a simple example, even when I pointed it at my source code.
So, I'm a better Software Developer (so far) than chatGPT. 
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raddevus wrote: So, I'm a better Software Developer (so far) than chatGPT.
But in 10 years, we'll be working for our ChatGPT overlord.
Jeremy Falcon
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Any idea how to get pregnant? (10)
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Expectancy ?
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
modified 13-Feb-23 3:55am.
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Not so. 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Glad to hear
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Conception ?
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Yay! You are up tomorrow! 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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#Worldle #387 1/6 (100%)
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easy one
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Wordle 604 3/6
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