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The difficulty with interpreting the PCR test is that it doesn't tell you if a person has the active virus within them.
The PCR test does not test for the presence of the virus but rather what it tells you is that an RNA sequence which matches the sequence the primers are designed for exists within the person tested.
In other words, one could have had the virus a year ago and have fragments of the virus still within oneself and the PCR test could still amplify those fragments to return a positive test.
From what I understand the CFR if fairly low for covid-19, but it varies so widely from 0.06% in Singapore to 18.94% in France that I really do wonder if different countries are measuring the same things Global Covid-19 Case Fatality Rates - CEBM[^]
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GuyThiebaut wrote: The problem with the term "test" is that when it is used in the media there is no information provided relating to the specifics of the clinical test.
In the same vein: At first nobody was getting tested...the published figures were for hospitalization cases. Nowadays if anyone's infected - whether they even feel any symptom or not - they're counted.
What also skews the numbers is that not every clinic in every region tracks individuals, and then share that information with each other. If you get tested multiple times at multiple locations, and you're testing positive, you're counted as that many cases.
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I've heard that there's an European strand of the virus; I cannot find a good or more recent reference, but this one seems to be good.
It was told it was more virulent than what got in the US (west coast) and that's why east coast US got more cases initially.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Very interesting, thanks. I hadn't seen that. But that makes sense.
I'm no epidemiologist but I imagine that each year there will be slightly different Covid strains, just like the "regular" flu does now. And when they do get a vaccine will it be as inefficient as the flu vaccines are now?
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That's my take and what I've heard from so-called "experts".
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It's not like the real scientists don't know the problem. (Here)[^]
It's a matter of fighting a battle between science and political ambition. The constant contradictions do just what is expected, and I fear, what was intended: weaken peoples faith in institutions in which they used to have trust.
Political appointees should be banished. Not only on this point but on so many incredibly disastrous results that have happened which they institute, aid, and/or abet.
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Yeah, the self-appointed "experts" are doing us all a disservice.
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No - not the self appointed ones. We're talking patronage and cronyism.
For example, in the US, today, the appointed head(s) of some governmental departments are people who spent their careers fighting that(those) departments. Progress rolled back to increase profits. Public good and long term planning be damned.
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I'm not sure what is worse. What you describe or people who get in there and treat it as their little fiefdom / kingdom and act as if they are GOD himself.
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Actually, what you say is part of the story. Sometimes in the background - in the view of supporters without the need to say it outright by the leader. Basically, though, when someone keeps declaring themselves and their deeds as "Perfect" - we can tend to think the implication of deity is there.
Somehow a mixture of "1984" double-think and that "Cult of Personality" song have moved in on us - supported by that staunch and every ready defender of the all that is good:
"The Armies of the Stupid Faithful Stupid Faithful . . . "
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See here (only a few posts up): The Lounge[^]
I don't know anyone, directly, who's had it. On the other hand, an acquaintance lost three friends - clearly on the high side.
Empirical data (observation) point to most people not getting very ill at all - nearly half with no symptoms. But of those that do, it can be a real bitch. Even those that recover may have long term lingering effects. Although bacterial, Chicken Pox and Lyme Disease both stay alive and dormant in one's system for a lifetime. Well, dormant most of the time.
But here's the thing: how many lives are lost with a 1% death rate in just the US? over 3.5 million! Even a tenth of that, with the entire population susceptible, where taking about a horrible number of deaths. Five or six Vietnam War's worth. Probably outstripping all US wars aside from the Civil war.
As for your food hypothesis: if it is correct I'm F***ed! Most of the worst fast food is of a nature that I can't won't eat it. Mainly Taco Bell Bean Burritos and heaven's gift to humanity, Pizza.
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Well, there are about 7.5 million cases and around 200K death.
So that's 200000/7500000 = 0.0267.
And 0.0267 * 100 = 2.67%.
So let's say around 3% dies.
For a certain percentage it's a (very) nasty flu-like disease.
And for everyone else it's a mild flu or even nothing.
Even if that last part is only 10%, that still means 750K people experience little to no problems.
That last part is far bigger than 10% though, I don't have numbers, but I think most people are good.
The problem is that those 3% that die need to be hospitalized, but we don't have that capacity, making it all a very nasty business with corpses in the street and whatnot.
ZurdoDev wrote: maybe it's because American's eat so much junk food our immune systems are stronger?
Actually, that 3% mortality rate is pretty high because you guys eat so much junkfood.
That stuff really isn't good for your immune system...
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Sander Rossel wrote: but we don't have that capacity
That stinks. The US has not had that problem.
Sander Rossel wrote: That stuff really isn't good for your immune system...
I know. I was making a funny. 
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Quote: That stinks. The US has not had that problem.
FTFY - you haven't watched all the news, have you?
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� Forogar � wrote: you haven't watched all the news, have you?
Thank goodness no. But there was some concern over that in the beginning and all the talk was about "flatten the curve" and that was done long ago and hospitals have not since had that problem.
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ZurdoDev wrote: there was some concern over that in the beginning and all the talk was about "flatten the curve"
Yeah, in states like NY, NJ, CT.
Meanwhile, the nitwits in states like GA, FL, TX, . . . . etc. are busy generating their own spikes. Rising death rates and all . . . but you, with your "thank goodness" don't watch the news. Do you then form your opinions via wishful thinking or the other 'genius' (he told us he was one) who just knows better as he creates his own reality and the believers do what believers do.
A suppose about a thousand deaths per day isn't much by your standards.
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You have TDS bad. I suggest you get it looked at. Although there is no known cure right now.
Seriously. What the heck is your response about? None of it makes any sense. You're just ranting like a TDS leftist.
Whatever, it's entertaining since you are so wrong and don't know anything about me yet pretend to know so much.
 
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ZurdoDev wrote: TDS leftist.
Oh my - we have a label - and since you don't like reality you know it must be manufactured by "the LEFT" !
ZurdoDev wrote: you are so wrong and don't know anything about me yet pretend to know so much.
Here, as you almost invariably are, you are wrong yet again.
I know a lot about you - as do others who read your posts: for you define yourself with each of them. No one gives a flying f*** what you think yourself to be in your own imaginings. You are who you show yourself to be.
So stop that worn out and preposterous whine of me (or anyone elsed) not knowing anything about you.
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You are a funny old man.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: not knowing anything about you.
Then prove it. List some things you know about me.
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Total Synopsis:
Right wing TROLL wallowing in cherry-picked ignorance
Yeah - that about sums it up.
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I accept your surrender. You're all talk bud. Wrong every time you respond to me. Not even in the ballpark. But the fact that you go crazy each time I disagree with you proves my original point. Again and again. Have a good day.
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Never argue with a fool - observers may not be able to tell the difference.
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I was feeling a bit biblical this AM.
"Answer a fool according to his follie, lest he be wise in his own conceit."
I mean, really, if we ignored him and he left the site, who'd we have to laugh at on such a regular basis?
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Good point. ...although fools rarely listen to anything that contradicts their reality.
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Yes, I have and the hospitals here have NOT had the problem. There was scaremongering at the beginning, but nothing since. Lots of pictures of hundreds of empty beds. *yawn*
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