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GenJerDan wrote: But I ended up having to Trim every bit of text before sending it off to the database.
But I have done that just because users type spaces accidentally as well.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Sometimes people don't know what they're asking for (time wise). It's up to us to tell the customer what it'll cost in time. They may be under the impression it's a 3 second change and no big deal.
This is certainly the case here...the user in question seriously thinks that we designed the program to beep on Enter, finds it annoying, and simply asked if we could make it stop. Even my ex-programmer business partner assumed it's just a trivial thing to fix...just wave the magic wand...we can do anything! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: Even my ex-programmer business partner
Hah so he has turned to the dark side and become a salesman.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: so he has turned to the dark side and become a salesman.
She actually hired me 18 years ago to take over development so that she could focus on the rest of the business...now it's a 50/50 partnership. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: 18 years ago
Well entrenched in the dark side then.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I followed Jeremy's thread into a personal labyrinth where I heard ... not the Minotaur's bellow ... but, a Muse's murmuring:
i talk to this stranger in the mirror,
being careful not to trouble him with
comments like: 'my, you do look older,
today, than yesterday:' took years to
get his voice back from stoic silence,
to shy whisper, to hinting bold truth
somewhere between his telling me what
he thinks i need to hear, and lies he
tells to paralyze the ruthless clocks:
the moths of truth hurling themselves
against light's promise of an eternal
story never ended, and never repeated
he sees me using magic less dangerous
than this magic i use to see him, now published under the CPOPL license (CodeProject Open Poetic License). No entheogenic plants, or kittens, were harmed during the production of this fugue.
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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Did you write that? That's pretty deep stuff man, and I can totally identify with that on more levels than one.
Jeremy Falcon
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Thanks, Jeremy, I am the half-blind flea on the foot of Poetry that brought back this (undoubtedly mis-translated) rendering of a Muse's perfect song.
I have an intuition that you would find a poem by Robert Graves meaningful:
"In Broken Images" [^]
I have been reading this poem for sixty years, and learning ... or un-learning ... every time I read it.
cheers, Bill
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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Then your intuition would be correct sir.
I can tell you what I got out of that poem in regards to thinking clearly and by extension intelligence... it's something I deal with constantly being in IT. Sometimes the "smartest" people can have the least in life and suffer from lack of experience. You can't very well experience anything but thinking if all you do is think and nothing else. And since experience is the real teacher in life, one has to beg the question if "intelligence" is really intelligent if the cost of too much of it is to have no experiences.
Ironically, whether or not the mind over thinks or under thinks, the result is still being slow in life. Go figure.
And like you, I believe wisdom is what remains after you unlearn what's been learned from the status quo.
Jeremy Falcon
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If you are developing an app using the UWP platform and Visual Studio 2017, you may run into the same issue I experienced after the VS update of yesterday:
I have been working on a UWP app and could create its installation package without any issues, until VS 2017 was updated yesterday. This morning, creating an installation package caused somewhere between 20 and 30 errors! This same version worked flawlessly before the VS update. The tips from VS were useless: For example: You have invalid Java Script files in your solution. I don't have a single JS file. Yuck!
After some trial and error, (and some cussing, I blush to disclose) I tried the following: I deleted both versions of the Windows 10 SDK I had on my machine and installed only the very latest version (build 16299.15.*****) Voila! Problem solved. Apparently, for reasons I don't understand, the updated version of VS 2017 wants that particular SDK.
So if you are working on an UWP app and the latest version of VS 2017, you may need the very latest Win 10 SDK.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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thanks for the update ! I wish I could still blush 
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it. A few hundred years later another traveler despairing as myself, may mourn the disappearance of what I may have seen, but failed to see.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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It's been a while since my last confession, but I blush to disclose that I did not really blush! 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Over the past couple of years or so, my computer became horribly cluttered with all kinds of junk, and lately it started some funky behavior. So I decided to do a clean install of the Windows 10 Fall Update. I downloaded the tool to create Fall Update install media. The systems drive was re-partitioned to meet UEFI requirements. I was doing quite well (or so I thought) until the install was complete and I tried Edge for the first time. Every time I tried to run a search in Edge, the browser would freeze. I couldn't shut it down and restarting the computer had no effect. Edge remained frozen and useless.
Then I found this valuable advice on YouTube:
Reinstalling Edge[^]
In summary re-installing Edge is a two step process:
1) Delete the following hidden folder (after a safe boot):
C:\Users\UserName\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_********
2) After a normal boot, run the following command in Admin PowerShell:
Get-AppXPackage -AllUsers -Name Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml" -Verbose}
Manually enable Development Mode in Settings, if required. And if all goes well: Voila! You will have a fresh install of Edge!
Be sure you have a good restore point (or better: A recent systems drive image), before you start messing with systems folders and PowerShell commands - just in case things go wrong. 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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So...this begs the question: What gets broken in Win10 if you don't tell it to reinstall Edge?
I personally never use it, my default browser is set to something else, yet every once in while some link will insist on opening Edge...
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I have become a loyal Edge user. It has too many nice features I like, I won't bother with anything else!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Hey, Microsoft: We found the guy!
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You're a funny guy!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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<bps created="2017-10-12 15:39:24">
<machine serialnumber="0" site="" softwarerelease="DVS2000_V3.60.001" versioninfo="" name="0" type="Numeron">
<parametersection number="0">
<headercardunit headercardid="0" depositid="0000000000" starttime="2017-10-12 15:39:07" millisec="0" endtime="2017-10-12 15:39:24" rejects="YES">
<counter currency="ARS" denomid="1555" value="5" quality="Fit" output="Stacked" number="1">
<counter currency="ARS" denomid="1556" value="10" quality="Fit" output="Stacked" number="3">/Counter>
<counter currency="ARS" denomid="1558" value="50" quality="Fit" output="Stacked" number="3">/Counter>
<counter currency="ARS" denomid="1559" value="100" quality="Fit" output="Stacked" number="38">/Counter>
<counter currency="ARS" denomid="1609" value="500" quality="Fit" output="Stacked" number="3">
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the answer is to ask in the correct place,
start by reading the first line under the "Welcome to the Lounge" title above.
Installing Signature...
Do not switch off your computer.
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<Forum>
<Post>
<Error Message="Wrong Forum"/>
</Post>
</Forum>
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ha ha nice
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Throw away everything that isn't in between a set of double quotes.
What is left is data.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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OriginalGriff wrote: Throw away everything that isn't in between a set of double quotes.
Wow. You can do that in VB.NET???
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Yeah, there is a standard Shared method in the WrngFrm class: FckMyShtUp - you pass it the file, and it does it all for you.
It's part of the MoreOn Assembly.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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You can do just about anything in VB.NET - it does, after all, reference the same framework as any other .NET language. IT may not always be the most efficient language, though for most smaller projects, and esp not involving heavy graphic work, it is just as good as any other.
I'm sure you know all this really. Sorry - but I have a bee in my bonnet about people dissing VB. I see a kind of intellectual snobbery at play when "real programmers" have a go at it, which is quite unwarranted.
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