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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: good luck in the future on a minority OS, must make developing so much fun
Exactly
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Slacker007 wrote: Exactly
But it's not relevant.
Developers use machines that are issued to them. If you're given a *nix machine, then you use it to develop software -- and I've worked in Java houses where all but a small minority of the developers used Linux by choice.
Eddy was talking about what he will use for his personal machines, as was Griff, and as was everyone else including BS, until he decided that he could win some kind of victory by moving into the professional-machine camp.
I am also very tempted to dump Windows, and will probably do so just as soon as I find a flavour of Linux that isn't a total pain in the @rse to use.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: I am also very tempted to dump Windows, and will probably do so just as soon as I find a flavour of Linux that isn't a total pain in the @rse to use.
Good luck with that.
I will continue to make sh*t loads of money using Windows and other Microsoft products. Hater gonna hate, as my kids say. Whatever. 
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Slacker007 wrote: Hater gonna hate
WTF has that got to do with anything?
Do you only know "adore" and "hate", and know nothing in-between?
It's a fruggin' operating system, for crying out loud.
No longer wanting to use software because of the directions it's going quite simply does not equate with "hate".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Like I said....whatever.
I think it is funny reading and listening to people hate on Microsoft for this or that. I don't get it. Sure they make some crappy stuff, but I am not going to "stop" using Windows because I don't know how to use it, or because it gives me message I don't like.
I make a very good living using Microsoft technologies. So obviously, they are doing something correct and I am doing something correct.
Cheers.
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Slacker007 wrote: Sure they make some crappy stuff, but I am not going to "stop" using Windows because I don't know how to use it, or because it gives me message I don't like.
The ribbon interface is a genuine, hour-by-hour PITA, to me, and don't even mention the baby-blocks start screen, or the fact that every new version of Windows moves configuration options willy-nilly -- or, as is the case with Win 8 (which will no doubt continue into Win 10) removes the interfaces for them altogether, so you have to google to find the registry keys to change.
If, as appears to be the case, they want to turn Windows into a clone of iOS or Android, where you get what you get, and you can't configure anything without "cracking" the OS and a ridiculous amount of effort, fine, but that's not the OS for my desktops/laptops, just like iOS and Android aren't.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Ribbon interface, my thoughts:
The majority of people I have encountered like it or tolerate it well. Then there are those that don't, they are the minority not the majority.
Windows 8 is ugly and it sucks, I agree...but I can't stop using it. I have heard that with Windows 10, they are going to make it a little easier for us Windows 7 and earlier guys. We will see about that.
I like Android. Never used Apple, so I have no feelings about them. Though, my perception of Jobs was not good, so I formed an opinion of the company based on my opinion of Jobs, which like opinions, everyone has one.
When I said good luck with that, I meant it. Good luck with trying to do it "your" way. You either beat them or join them. Since I can't beat them, I join them. Just learn how to use the products, and put your opinions and emotions to the side, and it will be better.
If you fight the system, for the sake of spite, you will lose...my opinion. 
Good luck.
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Slacker007 wrote: You either beat them or join them.
It's only an operating system!
There's ain't no beating or joining; all it does is make the hardware accessible.
You can develop for any operating system on any operating system, they've all got IDEs for just about every language -- Hell, all you really need to write programs is a text editor and an Internet connection.
Try to get your head away from this "You're a Windows guy or you're unemployable" idea, because all it's doing is making you less employable.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: because all it's doing is making you less employable.
It's made me "more" employable, not less. Anyhow, I am ending this debate. Cheers.
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What is it about this place, lately, that's making so many people think that they have the right to decide whether or not other people are allowed to talk?
If you don't want to contribute to a thread, then a: say that you don't want to contribute to it, and then b: don't contribute to it.
You do not have the right to tell anyone that they are not allowed to talk. You do not own CP, and you are not the boss of anyone here.
Feel free to not contribute further to this thread, since that is part and parcel of your stated intention.
However, be aware that specialising in one operating system does not increase your employability; it diminishes it.
Someone who can write the code that you write plus port it to another operating system will be considered a more valuable hire.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: The ribbon interface is a genuine, hour-by-hour PITA, to me, and don't even mention the baby-blocks start screen, or the fact that every new version of Windows moves configuration options willy-nilly -- or, as is the case with Win 8 (which will no doubt continue into Win 10) removes the interfaces for them altogether, so you have to google to find the registry keys to change.
Say hello to some great tools...
http://www.classicshell.net/[^]
http://rammichael.com/7-taskbar-tweaker[^]
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I've got Classic Shell on my Win 7 machines, but I'm a bit wary of "extending" Win 8, because it already crashes more than Win '95 ever did (it just hides it better -- instant restart and no blue screen).
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Slacker007 wrote: I will continue to make sh*t loads of money using Windows and other Microsoft
products.
I long have advocated Microsoft products, not because they make me a shitload of money, but because they were genuinly the best in town. But if I can serve both the Windows and 'nix platform, I can only gain.
..and it will be a strategic advantage above those that do not.
Slacker007 wrote: Hater gonna hate, as my kids say
If hate did not have a function, would it not have disappeared?
Makes people unreasonable, ignoring arguments.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: ignoring arguments.
I am not ignoring arguments as I see certain people having issues "all the time" with Microsoft, no matter what they do, build, sell, etc...
Should I have kept my comments to myself, sure. Sometimes I want to run for the hills, screaming "It really isn't this difficult!"
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Slacker007 wrote: I am not ignoring arguments as I see certain people having issues "all the time" with Microsoft, no matter what they do, build, sell, etc...
Yup, even if they hardly know how to handle the mouse, they'll exclaim M$ makes crap. Then comes a look as if "knowledge" has been spread throughout the room.
Usually I explain how good the crap actually is; take the old MS-DOS manual, over 500+ pages of knowledge, and compare that to the manual that came with Windows 3.0. Compare the intimidating UI to the GUI, beautifully imposing a recognizable standard for simple things like a button. There has been an alternative sponsered by IBM and there is a free alternative, yet people were, and are, buying Windows!
I'd recommend reading theoldnewthing for some of the small wonders that the OS contains.
Slacker007 wrote: Sometimes I want to run for the hills, screaming "It really isn't this
difficult!"
So, you're not shouting that in the office yet?
There may still be hope then
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Me probably neither, or at least not as soon as it becomes available. Because I'm pretty sure Microsoft won't allow me to revert to Windows 7 if I deem Windows 10 in line with Vista and 8.
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Sascha Lefévre wrote: I'm pretty sure Microsoft won't allow me to revert to Windows 7
"FORMAT c:"
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: "FORMAT c:"
Sure - I could just restore my Win7-Image. But if I ever had to re-install Win7 from scratch I'd fear I wouldn't be able to activate it again if I previously agreed to upgrade to Win 10.
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If it's on the same machine, I don't think it'll be a problem - enough people did it with Windows 8 after all!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I think it would revert OK, but you'd probably still get hit for monthly payments for Win 10, eighteen months down the line, when they suddenly reveal that they did mean to make it OS-as-a-service, after all.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I installed the crack the first time that nonsense happened. No trouble since.
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Cracking perfectly legal software seems the major solution nowadays to elephant off the new obnoxious anti-piracy mechanisms.
Geek code v 3.12
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- r++>+++ y+++*
Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
I use 1TBS
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There used to be a time this was legal in my country... bloody european parliament...
Life's like a nose, you've got to get out of it whats in it!
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