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AK wrote:
First, the certification teaches you to visualize a solution to a problem. Some of you might understand what I mean by that.
I understand what you mean, but I disagree that you need a Microsoft certification to learn that, or, in other words, certification is not the only thing that can teach you to visualize a solution to a problem.
AK wrote:
Second, by memorizing tons of information you will be able to make decisions more quickly and possible avoid large mistakes.
You will be able to make desicions even more quickly if you had some practice in that field instead of memorizing it, and sometimes too many information (or tons like you said) can even have the opposite effect. And, not to mention that memorizing something is more likely to be forgotten than actually doing the same thing in practice.
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that simple training is a substitution for experience. Actually I believe that there is no purpose in doing training that is based solely on memorizing. I believe that experience is a very crucial element.
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Have you seen people who have certifications (MS, Java, IBM...) but NEVER write a simple applicaiton?
Enron did hire lot of "certificated" people years ago.
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I agree. Its not very difficult to get certified. If you didn't study and went to take the test its possible to pass it with some luck.
IMHO, companies that look just for a certificate without looking deeper are not too smart.
Just out of interst - any of you that own a company - how do you hire?
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here is a reasonable approach:
http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000073.html
also Peter Norvig in http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html says:
"One of the best programmers I ever hired had only a High School degree"
so... smart people somehow manage to hire smart people and don't give a s*** about certification
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Oh, wait! This is not a certificate. Well, I have it in my resume just as well.
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it.
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Merged From Current? (FreeBSD lingo )
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...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
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Hye,
Is MFC a certification??? what is the full form?? I doubt..
Jigar Mehta
(jigarmehta@gatescorp.com)
Software Developer
Gates Information Systems
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Merged From Current
Or: Microsoft Frozen Cake?
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it.
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Wow, so you've taken the Microsoft Foundation Classes?
An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
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there's Certificate Called MSF not MCF and it's stand for Microsoft Solution FrameWork
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You know what we call MCSE's around here don't you?
Microsoft Chicken Sh*t Engineer.
I'm sure there are people with MCSE's who know what they are doing... but I've never met one.
Michael
CP Blog [^]
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LOL!.
MCSE 2 a penny, it seems if you *know* a company which supplies the exams you can get a MCSE without taking the exams . I hope with computer industy doesn't rely on the person holding the MSCE as a reliable candidate for any job.
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... it would be easy to get a certificate
but quite impossible for a student
Don't try it, just do it!
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yeah! I agree with you!!!
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That's what any certification comes down to for me as well. Money.
C++ - Pure, Simple, Makes Sense.
C# - Microsoft's idea of Pure and Simple
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I third that! It's hard when the student doesn't have a job (comme moi).
And it's even harder when the sudent is too young to get a job (comme moi encore).
Aaron Eldreth
TheCollective4.com
My Articles
I hereby boycott this poll. Really....
- Leppie
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At least strange to see that exist someone who gives
bad marks for such messages. Exist a lot reasons
why people can't pay for study and certification.
So I changed these marks it a little...
I am sure that certification is good things (especially
Microsoft certification). But sometimes it is only
question of money and not a question of good knowledge.
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Especially as to get an MCAD you need to get 3 MCPs.
Stats correct at time of going to press
"If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
Not getting the response you want from a question asked in an online forum: How to Ask Questions the Smart Way!
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
now that's clever
talk about low requirements...
we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
sighist || Agile Programming | doxygen
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thanks colin, that 'how to ask questions' article made excellent reading!
ps. todolist still behaving itself?
rgds
.dan.g.
AbstractSpoon Software
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.dan.g. wrote:
that 'how to ask questions' article made excellent reading!
Thanks, it was actually posted in the Lounge a few days ago, and I changed my signature to include it because I answer quite a few questions in the programming forums and some people really need to get a clue.
"If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
Not getting the response you want from a question asked in an online forum: How to Ask Questions the Smart Way!
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you only get mcp once, so even though you sat 3 exams you only get 1 mcp cert. but.. still means anyone who is mcad(mcad.net) HAS to be an mcp..
ScottyW3
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I wasn't aware MCAD existed before .NET
"If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
Not getting the response you want from a question asked in an online forum: How to Ask Questions the Smart Way!
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I didn't think it was available either
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