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There are numerous acknowledged bugs in the build mechanism in first VS.NET. Supposedly they have been fixed in VS.NET 2003.
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Marc Paradise wrote:
My pet peeve is the lack of a simple way to 'build this project'. I have an applications with many dlls, loaded into the same workspace for ease of debugging and development
When I change the top level EXE project, I can no longer simply rebuild the exe. In its wisdom, Microsoft decided that what I really want to do is a full scan of all dependencies throughout all layers of the project. Every. Single. Time. I. Compile.
I work mostly in C# now, so I do not have an issue with "clean" I understand the functionality you knew, has changed, but if you are concerned about it always scanning dependencies and compiling them, why not just remove the dependencies since you want to compile manually? That way, when you select compile on an individual project it will only compile the one.
Normally, I have many projects in a single solution. A feature I love for multi-project solutions, is the ability to specify multiple modules to start when you run the project along with the order that they execute and which ones in debug mode.
It is all give and take. There are too many good new features than the ones removed or changed.
One of the few complaints I have is that I would LOVE to have a button on the Properties window that will bring it up as a tabbed dialog instead of a list. Tired of scrolling up and down the list when if they were in tabbed (by category) dialog, I could find it much easier. Even though the categories are colored, it is still a pain scrolling up and down looking for them, even though I have a general idea where the field I am looking for is located.
Another wish list item is an easier way to select methods or properties to override. Pain to navigate base classes to locate the ones you wish to override. Would be a great if you could hit a button and have a dialog come with up with a list of overridable items that you only have to click on to add them. Of course this feature could probably be added to VS since it is so extensible.
Rocky Moore <><
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¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!
Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!
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Dude, are you talking about .NET Framework or VS.NET? Putting a skinned MP3 player in the .NET Framework? Huh?
I don't think you are an enemy of Microsoft, just a bit confused.
Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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I think what the poor guy meant is an IDE that you can change the look and feel, much like winamp.
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Thanks. In that case it is the job of the UI layer of the OS, not the application. e.g Windows XP.
I could start a whole rant on apps that don't use standard Windows controls and then loose the UI skinning. Very inconsistent.
Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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I'm not confused maybe just my english is not as good as I would like to.
I meant that vs.net ide seems more like winamp than a serious compiler on many things. Therefore, in a sarcastic way I said 'Hey, why don't you put a mp3 player and the msn messanger in there as well... next to all these crazy huge property windows'
answer sincerely, What method to override virtuals and event do you prefer vs6 or vs.net??
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I'm not confused maybe just my english is not as good as I would like to.
I meant that vs.net ide seems more like winamp than a serious compiler on many things. Therefore, in a sarcastic way I said 'Hey, why don't you put a mp3 player and the msn messanger in there as well... next to all these crazy huge property windows'
answer sincerely, What method to override virtuals and event do you prefer vs6 or vs.net??
Just three words: void main(void)
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Honestly, they matter little to me. I used the class wizards back then. But now I really much prefer to write message maps, overrides, etc myself. For aesthetic reasons.
Personally, I hate dialog boxes. I always try to minimize them in my apps. Usually, I allow only two, the about box and the settings dialog. I prefer to use dockable windows, tabs, splitter windows etc. Much like the microsoft way of doing things.
Hey, I am not a vs.net evangelist or something. But in my own little way, I tried a user acceptance test. I found out the mouse clickers prefer them than dialog boxes. Maybe less mouse clicks, I didn't ask.
There are three things I hate about the IDE. First, I don't know why "Find Implementation" don't work as well as before. Second, it is slower and takes much more ram. Third, why the heck VB progs and VC progs share IDE now! I really don't want to be labeled the same as them!
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Yeah, I voted that innovation is becoming an excuse to sell and re-sell same things again and again.
I currently coding applications that works terminal services based and now it transmits UDP packets with graphics screens, but is the same bullshit like in the beginning of computing.
In software, innovation is just a lie like 5th generation lenguages. Programmers have to write yet on the keyboard like 20 years ago, and users have to find their bugs for a long time using the program to get reliable software.
In hardware, von neumman architecture is just a paradigm we can't go through.
We've changed valves in silicon transistors, we've changed 1 dozen for 1 million but is just the same.
I'm not pessimistic, but I hope innovation will be quantum computers and 'star wars'-like technology, who doesn't want to have luke's sword?
Conver...
Just three words: void main(void)
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Umm, light saber. Only person interested in Luke's sword is Princess Leia.
Anyway. I don't want Luke's light-saber if every third thrust it explodes in my hands or every fifth time I switch it on *wummmmmmm* it flickers and dies and then I have to re-install the frikkin device drivers or OS.
Coolness is not inovation. Coolness is a marketing trick.
Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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Seems though that coolness sells.
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator. Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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Indeed it does.
I am not against cool gadgets, they can be fun and all. But coolness must not be sold as inovation or mistaken for it. Sometimes they do run together, but not always.
Still, Luke's sword is not cool or innovative.
Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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But coolness must not be sold as inovation or mistaken for it.
Well, given that the job of marketing is to do exactly that, it falls upon the buyer to be more diligent. [sarcasm]Right.[/sarcasm] Maybe it's because I have a child (who blissfully has NEVER gone through stores screaming "I want that, I want that") but it seems that we make ridiculous purchases to appease our children for a flash in time, and we make ridiculous purchases as adults in that never ending quest for true satisfaction--something we as children never experienced, it seems, and so have no ability to "self-soothe". (Freud is right. All our troubles are the result of sexual disfunction. My son has yet to hit puberty!).
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator. Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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Ewww! That's his Sister!
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Oh no, I think you just spoiled it for Paul.
Regards,
Alvaro
That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable. -- despair.com
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Good points !!
Regardz
Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign'
Rob Manderson wrote:
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That's true. In the 80's I believed that we'd probably be on Mars by the end of the 20th century.
Unfortunately NASA decided that unmanned was better and reserved manned missions for the low orbit space shuttle. The space shuttle then became the focus and there hasn't been much innovation since then.
Couple that with a space establishment that believes that space should be reserved for science only and we find ourselves still stuck on this rock.
Pity.
Cheers
The universe is driven by the complex interaction between three ingredients: matter, energy, and enlightened self-interest.
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Mr Morden wrote:
Couple that with a space establishment that believes that space should be reserved for science only and we find ourselves still stuck on this rock.
It's basically a money/energy issue.
We dont have the technology (yet) to sent people up there cheaply
Nish
Author of the romantic comedy
Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win]
Review by Shog9
Click here for review[NW]
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You're right to a point.
But from what I've read, it could be a lot cheaper to send people into space.
I read an article a couple of years ago that made the case that a shuttle launch is so expensive because of the infrastructure that surrounds each launch. This article stated that the cost of a launch could be substantially reduced by setting up an infrastructure similar to an airline.
As for technology. The shuttle is basically 70's and 80's tech. Over 20 years old. Technology has improved substantally over the last 2 decades. I tend to think that technology isnt the issue. I think that not many people in positions of authority have the will or desire to get us up there.
Cheers
The universe is driven by the complex interaction between three ingredients: matter, energy, and enlightened self-interest.
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Mr Morden wrote:
a shuttle launch is so expensive because of the infrastructure that surrounds each launch
Basically the same reason that a McLaren is over 1Mil whilst one can pick up a new KIA under 10K.
- Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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come on, who wants to live on the moon anyway?
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Who wants to live on a drilling rig, or in the arctic tundra?
If there's gold in them thar hills, megacorps will send people (not themselves of course) to get it for them.
If national pride or national security is at stake, countries will do more.
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But they were accurate at the time.
It's not their fault we let the dream die .
Or to be more precise, we let certain members of Congress (Proxmire, et. al) kill it . I vote that they are first out the airlock when the revolution comes.
Software Zen: delete this;
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