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... the results are quite equaly distributed so far... I think its the first time I saw this in a poll. 
Mauricio Ritter - Brazil
Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter
Life is a mixture of painful separations from your loved ones and joyful reunions, without those two we'd just be animals I guess. The more painful the separation, that much more wonderful will be the reunion - Nish
"Th@ langwagje is screwed! It has if's but no end if's!! Stupid php cant even do butuns on forms! VISHAUL BASICS ARE THE FUTSHURE!" - Simon Walton
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It must say something about my personality that I'm usually two standard deviations off from the popular response.
Cool. I'm a standard deviant!
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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We should be pumping loads of money into R&D, thats the only way forward - We are stagnating at the moment, building on existing technology, not moving forward because companies with the money are more concerned with their bottom line and bonuses to spend it on R&D !!!!
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Yes, the concept of investing in a future that you might not even live to see is long past. Nowadays, our investments are oriented toward immediate gratification.
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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Most of us have seen .NET framework and for sure many of us is already working with it.
If you have worked before with borland windows gui tools, like delphi or c++ builder, .NET seems to be an approach to that tools, but with so many windows and toolbars, and buttons and icons, and, Whoa!! wait a moment!! What's the next?? skined-compilers?? Why you forgot to put a mp3 player on the framework as well?
Don't think I'm a microsoft enemy, I loved vc++ ide for a long time, and I think I will learn how to love .NET ide, but I just want my classwizard back again... 
Just three words: void main(void)
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conversion::magro wrote:
Don't think I'm a microsoft enemy, I loved vc++ ide for a long time, and I think I will learn how to love .NET ide, but I just want my classwizard back again...
Why don't you write your own?
My understanding is that VS.NET has a far better interface for developers to make add ins than VS6 did, and it's a lot easier to do so. That being the case, it's probably not that hard to develop your own. You could even put it here on CP for the rest of us to use to! 
Cheers
The universe is driven by the complex interaction between three ingredients: matter, energy, and enlightened self-interest.
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I hate the class wizard. The output header and skeleton source doesn't suit me aesthetically.
Also, I don't think it saves time.
But I can't understand why VS.NET is much slower than VC6!
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Stormwind wrote:
I hate the class wizard.
What about member variables and message handlers? Think automagically generate message maps... with vs7 we get the "properties explorer" or whatever it is...  Man, I couldn't tell if I chose the c++ layout or the VB layout until i nixed all the bloody windows. I could hardly read my source code!
- Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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My pet peeve is the lack of a simple way to 'build this project'. I have an applications with many dlls, loaded into the same workspace for ease of debugging and development
When I change the top level EXE project, I can no longer simply rebuild the exe. In its wisdom, Microsoft decided that what I really want to do is a full scan of all dependencies throughout all layers of the project. Every. Single. Time. I. Compile.
It used to be, I could 'build selected project'... or 'clean selected project'. Heaven help me if I do a clean project at the top level...
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There are numerous acknowledged bugs in the build mechanism in first VS.NET. Supposedly they have been fixed in VS.NET 2003.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Marc Paradise wrote:
My pet peeve is the lack of a simple way to 'build this project'. I have an applications with many dlls, loaded into the same workspace for ease of debugging and development
When I change the top level EXE project, I can no longer simply rebuild the exe. In its wisdom, Microsoft decided that what I really want to do is a full scan of all dependencies throughout all layers of the project. Every. Single. Time. I. Compile.
I work mostly in C# now, so I do not have an issue with "clean" I understand the functionality you knew, has changed, but if you are concerned about it always scanning dependencies and compiling them, why not just remove the dependencies since you want to compile manually? That way, when you select compile on an individual project it will only compile the one.
Normally, I have many projects in a single solution. A feature I love for multi-project solutions, is the ability to specify multiple modules to start when you run the project along with the order that they execute and which ones in debug mode.
It is all give and take. There are too many good new features than the ones removed or changed.
One of the few complaints I have is that I would LOVE to have a button on the Properties window that will bring it up as a tabbed dialog instead of a list. Tired of scrolling up and down the list when if they were in tabbed (by category) dialog, I could find it much easier. Even though the categories are colored, it is still a pain scrolling up and down looking for them, even though I have a general idea where the field I am looking for is located.
Another wish list item is an easier way to select methods or properties to override. Pain to navigate base classes to locate the ones you wish to override. Would be a great if you could hit a button and have a dialog come with up with a list of overridable items that you only have to click on to add them. Of course this feature could probably be added to VS since it is so extensible.
Rocky Moore <><
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C#
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!
Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!
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Dude, are you talking about .NET Framework or VS.NET? Putting a skinned MP3 player in the .NET Framework? Huh?
I don't think you are an enemy of Microsoft, just a bit confused.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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I think what the poor guy meant is an IDE that you can change the look and feel, much like winamp.
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Thanks. In that case it is the job of the UI layer of the OS, not the application. e.g Windows XP.
I could start a whole rant on apps that don't use standard Windows controls and then loose the UI skinning. Very inconsistent.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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I'm not confused maybe just my english is not as good as I would like to.
I meant that vs.net ide seems more like winamp than a serious compiler on many things. Therefore, in a sarcastic way I said 'Hey, why don't you put a mp3 player and the msn messanger in there as well... next to all these crazy huge property windows'
answer sincerely, What method to override virtuals and event do you prefer vs6 or vs.net??
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I'm not confused maybe just my english is not as good as I would like to.
I meant that vs.net ide seems more like winamp than a serious compiler on many things. Therefore, in a sarcastic way I said 'Hey, why don't you put a mp3 player and the msn messanger in there as well... next to all these crazy huge property windows'
answer sincerely, What method to override virtuals and event do you prefer vs6 or vs.net??
Just three words: void main(void)
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Honestly, they matter little to me. I used the class wizards back then. But now I really much prefer to write message maps, overrides, etc myself. For aesthetic reasons.
Personally, I hate dialog boxes. I always try to minimize them in my apps. Usually, I allow only two, the about box and the settings dialog. I prefer to use dockable windows, tabs, splitter windows etc. Much like the microsoft way of doing things.
Hey, I am not a vs.net evangelist or something. But in my own little way, I tried a user acceptance test. I found out the mouse clickers prefer them than dialog boxes. Maybe less mouse clicks, I didn't ask.
There are three things I hate about the IDE. First, I don't know why "Find Implementation" don't work as well as before. Second, it is slower and takes much more ram. Third, why the heck VB progs and VC progs share IDE now! I really don't want to be labeled the same as them!
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Yeah, I voted that innovation is becoming an excuse to sell and re-sell same things again and again.
I currently coding applications that works terminal services based and now it transmits UDP packets with graphics screens, but is the same bullshit like in the beginning of computing.
In software, innovation is just a lie like 5th generation lenguages. Programmers have to write yet on the keyboard like 20 years ago, and users have to find their bugs for a long time using the program to get reliable software.
In hardware, von neumman architecture is just a paradigm we can't go through.
We've changed valves in silicon transistors, we've changed 1 dozen for 1 million but is just the same.
I'm not pessimistic, but I hope innovation will be quantum computers and 'star wars'-like technology, who doesn't want to have luke's sword?
Conver...
Just three words: void main(void)
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Umm, light saber. Only person interested in Luke's sword is Princess Leia.
Anyway. I don't want Luke's light-saber if every third thrust it explodes in my hands or every fifth time I switch it on *wummmmmmm* it flickers and dies and then I have to re-install the frikkin device drivers or OS.
Coolness is not inovation. Coolness is a marketing trick.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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Seems though that coolness sells.
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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Indeed it does.
I am not against cool gadgets, they can be fun and all. But coolness must not be sold as inovation or mistaken for it. Sometimes they do run together, but not always.
Still, Luke's sword is not cool or innovative.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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But coolness must not be sold as inovation or mistaken for it.
Well, given that the job of marketing is to do exactly that, it falls upon the buyer to be more diligent. [sarcasm]Right.[/sarcasm] Maybe it's because I have a child (who blissfully has NEVER gone through stores screaming "I want that, I want that") but it seems that we make ridiculous purchases to appease our children for a flash in time, and we make ridiculous purchases as adults in that never ending quest for true satisfaction--something we as children never experienced, it seems, and so have no ability to "self-soothe". (Freud is right. All our troubles are the result of sexual disfunction. My son has yet to hit puberty!).
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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Ewww! That's his Sister!
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Oh no, I think you just spoiled it for Paul.
Regards,
Alvaro
That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable. -- despair.com
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