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Thanks. In that case it is the job of the UI layer of the OS, not the application. e.g Windows XP.
I could start a whole rant on apps that don't use standard Windows controls and then loose the UI skinning. Very inconsistent.
Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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I'm not confused maybe just my english is not as good as I would like to.
I meant that vs.net ide seems more like winamp than a serious compiler on many things. Therefore, in a sarcastic way I said 'Hey, why don't you put a mp3 player and the msn messanger in there as well... next to all these crazy huge property windows'
answer sincerely, What method to override virtuals and event do you prefer vs6 or vs.net??
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I'm not confused maybe just my english is not as good as I would like to.
I meant that vs.net ide seems more like winamp than a serious compiler on many things. Therefore, in a sarcastic way I said 'Hey, why don't you put a mp3 player and the msn messanger in there as well... next to all these crazy huge property windows'
answer sincerely, What method to override virtuals and event do you prefer vs6 or vs.net??
Just three words: void main(void)
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Honestly, they matter little to me. I used the class wizards back then. But now I really much prefer to write message maps, overrides, etc myself. For aesthetic reasons.
Personally, I hate dialog boxes. I always try to minimize them in my apps. Usually, I allow only two, the about box and the settings dialog. I prefer to use dockable windows, tabs, splitter windows etc. Much like the microsoft way of doing things.
Hey, I am not a vs.net evangelist or something. But in my own little way, I tried a user acceptance test. I found out the mouse clickers prefer them than dialog boxes. Maybe less mouse clicks, I didn't ask.
There are three things I hate about the IDE. First, I don't know why "Find Implementation" don't work as well as before. Second, it is slower and takes much more ram. Third, why the heck VB progs and VC progs share IDE now! I really don't want to be labeled the same as them!
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Yeah, I voted that innovation is becoming an excuse to sell and re-sell same things again and again.
I currently coding applications that works terminal services based and now it transmits UDP packets with graphics screens, but is the same bullshit like in the beginning of computing.
In software, innovation is just a lie like 5th generation lenguages. Programmers have to write yet on the keyboard like 20 years ago, and users have to find their bugs for a long time using the program to get reliable software.
In hardware, von neumman architecture is just a paradigm we can't go through.
We've changed valves in silicon transistors, we've changed 1 dozen for 1 million but is just the same.
I'm not pessimistic, but I hope innovation will be quantum computers and 'star wars'-like technology, who doesn't want to have luke's sword?
Conver...
Just three words: void main(void)
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Umm, light saber. Only person interested in Luke's sword is Princess Leia.
Anyway. I don't want Luke's light-saber if every third thrust it explodes in my hands or every fifth time I switch it on *wummmmmmm* it flickers and dies and then I have to re-install the frikkin device drivers or OS.
Coolness is not inovation. Coolness is a marketing trick.
Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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Seems though that coolness sells.
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator. Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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Indeed it does.
I am not against cool gadgets, they can be fun and all. But coolness must not be sold as inovation or mistaken for it. Sometimes they do run together, but not always.
Still, Luke's sword is not cool or innovative.
Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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But coolness must not be sold as inovation or mistaken for it.
Well, given that the job of marketing is to do exactly that, it falls upon the buyer to be more diligent. [sarcasm]Right.[/sarcasm] Maybe it's because I have a child (who blissfully has NEVER gone through stores screaming "I want that, I want that") but it seems that we make ridiculous purchases to appease our children for a flash in time, and we make ridiculous purchases as adults in that never ending quest for true satisfaction--something we as children never experienced, it seems, and so have no ability to "self-soothe". (Freud is right. All our troubles are the result of sexual disfunction. My son has yet to hit puberty!).
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator. Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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Ewww! That's his Sister!
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Oh no, I think you just spoiled it for Paul.
Regards,
Alvaro
That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable. -- despair.com
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Good points !!
Regardz
Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign'
Rob Manderson wrote:
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That's true. In the 80's I believed that we'd probably be on Mars by the end of the 20th century.
Unfortunately NASA decided that unmanned was better and reserved manned missions for the low orbit space shuttle. The space shuttle then became the focus and there hasn't been much innovation since then.
Couple that with a space establishment that believes that space should be reserved for science only and we find ourselves still stuck on this rock.
Pity.
Cheers
The universe is driven by the complex interaction between three ingredients: matter, energy, and enlightened self-interest.
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Mr Morden wrote:
Couple that with a space establishment that believes that space should be reserved for science only and we find ourselves still stuck on this rock.
It's basically a money/energy issue.
We dont have the technology (yet) to sent people up there cheaply
Nish
Author of the romantic comedy
Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win]
Review by Shog9
Click here for review[NW]
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You're right to a point.
But from what I've read, it could be a lot cheaper to send people into space.
I read an article a couple of years ago that made the case that a shuttle launch is so expensive because of the infrastructure that surrounds each launch. This article stated that the cost of a launch could be substantially reduced by setting up an infrastructure similar to an airline.
As for technology. The shuttle is basically 70's and 80's tech. Over 20 years old. Technology has improved substantally over the last 2 decades. I tend to think that technology isnt the issue. I think that not many people in positions of authority have the will or desire to get us up there.
Cheers
The universe is driven by the complex interaction between three ingredients: matter, energy, and enlightened self-interest.
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Mr Morden wrote:
a shuttle launch is so expensive because of the infrastructure that surrounds each launch
Basically the same reason that a McLaren is over 1Mil whilst one can pick up a new KIA under 10K.
- Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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come on, who wants to live on the moon anyway?
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Who wants to live on a drilling rig, or in the arctic tundra?
If there's gold in them thar hills, megacorps will send people (not themselves of course) to get it for them.
If national pride or national security is at stake, countries will do more.
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But they were accurate at the time.
It's not their fault we let the dream die .
Or to be more precise, we let certain members of Congress (Proxmire, et. al) kill it . I vote that they are first out the airlock when the revolution comes.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Where's the innovation that results in my ability to write code better and faster? Where's the built in regression testing and module testing? Where's the framework that promotes good architecture so that 1) the product can grow and change with new requirements and 2) changes don't result in catastrophic side effects? Where's the integration with visualization tools that let me forward and reverse engineer process flow? Where's the innovation in education so that there's some chance that my co-worker isn't a complete moron?
Well, this is why I've wrote the AAL for MFC and why I am porting it to C#/.NET. Because Microsoft can't get its head out of its arse long enough to see that I don't want new fangled gadgets. I want stability, productivity, and happy customers.
Because I'd rather be at the beach.
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator. Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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I wonder what might be labelled innovation in the software industry. Does the quality of a software depends on whether it was written with a language rather than other (why do every programmer wants to use C# then?) ? My answer is no. Do wifi, mobile phones, automated image/speech recognition hardware are innovations ? Yes. Does .NET is innovation ? No.
In fact, those last 20 years have seen the continuous empowerment of GUI-centric apps, where the three-click MFC expert is much better paid and regarded than the algorithm expert. I believe that, because of such a mirage, we can't expect GUI-centric apps to provide any form of innovation.
At the opposite, winamp, divx and a few others have shown up with a strong vision about what algorithms, not GUI, can do the ordinary people. And they have eventually changed our lives forever.
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Curious statement, given that neither Winamp nor DivX developed the algorithms they're based on (MP3 and MPEG4); they just wrapped up existing technologies in new ways. One could say that it was the ease of use (or GUI, in your terms), not any algorithmic innovation, that led to their successes.
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Gavin Gregson wrote:
given that neither Winamp nor DivX
I have used these terms since anyone understands what's behind. Yes, I am talking about the underlying algorithms.
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Does the quality of a software depends on whether it was written with a language rather than other [...] ? My answer is no.
Hopefully, the choice of language does impact the quality of the product, otherwise it won't matter which language one uses. Given your point of view with respect to .NET, I'm surprised you're implicitly backing MS hype about language choice being irrelevant with the advent of CLR.
Joaquín M López Muñoz
Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
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