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Re: Where is the option to put cute free-text answers? Nish Nishant21-Jan-02 23:58 Nish Nishant 21-Jan-02 23:58  LOL Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut Re: Where is the option to put cute free-text answers? Chris Maunder22-Jan-02 0:00 Chris Maunder 22-Jan-02 0:00  very droll cheers, Chris Maunder Re: Where is the option to put cute free-text answers? Andrew Peace21-Jan-02 13:37 Andrew Peace 21-Jan-02 13:37  Fazlul Kabir wrote: A second obvious benefit of MSIL is that it decouples your EXEs and DLLs from any specific operating system or hardware platform. Microsoft currently has plans to ship a version of the CLR for Windows 2000, Windows NT®, Windows 98, and Windows 95 I think you've taken this in the wrong context - what they mean is that the IL produced can run on any platform that has the CLR installed; i.e. whilst they only plan to ship it for Windows other vendors may ship it for other platforms. -- Andrew. Upgrade? Chris Losinger20-Jan-02 18:34 Chris Losinger 20-Jan-02 18:34  Isn't it more of a sideways move? Seems to me that the whole focus of VS 7 is on .Net, which has almost no relation to previous VS iterations. -c Smaller Animals Software, Inc. Re: Upgrade? Chris Maunder20-Jan-02 18:54 Chris Maunder 20-Jan-02 18:54  You're going to give me grey hairs, Chris VS 7 has huge improvements in the areas of standard compliance, optimisation and debugging. It's still not quite there, but the groundwork has been laid so that future versions (with the next update due later this year) will mean even higher levels of conformance. There is also attributed programming to make COM programming faster, ATL Server, better help, a better (in many people's opinion) IDE and cool new menus. What more could you ask for? VS .NET isn't just the same old IDE with support for .NET - it's a major upgrade of VS with a lot of work being put into all aspects, including VS7. Check out: Whole Program Optimization with Visual C++ .NET How Visual C++ .NET Can Prevent Buffer Overruns Interview with Stanley Lippman cheers, Chris Maunder Re: Upgrade? Michael Dunn20-Jan-02 19:04 Michael Dunn 20-Jan-02 19:04  Chris Maunder wrote: a better (in many people's opinion) IDE and cool new menus. blech. That's all I've got to say about 'dat. --Mike-- "Why you keep calling me Jesús? I look Puerto Rican to you?"  -- Samuel L. Jackson in Die Hard 3 My really out-of-date homepage Sonork - 100.10414 AcidHelm Big fan of Alyson Hannigan. Re: Upgrade? Christian Graus20-Jan-02 20:35 Christian Graus 20-Jan-02 20:35  Michael Dunn wrote: blech. That's all I've got to say about 'dat. Mike, I've learned a *lot* from your excellent tutorials and answers on CP, but this is probably the wisest thing you've ever said. I've installed .NET, and had a play with it, and the IDE blows, big time. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOzI live in Bob's HungOut now Re: Upgrade? Jamie Hale21-Jan-02 10:17 Jamie Hale 21-Jan-02 10:17  Amen brother. J Re: Upgrade? CodeGuy22-Jan-02 9:57 CodeGuy 22-Jan-02 9:57  Preach it. CodeGuy The WTL newsgroup: over 1100 members! Be a part of it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wtl Re: Upgrade? Alvaro Mendez23-Jan-02 11:27 Alvaro Mendez 23-Jan-02 11:27  I haven't played with the IDE, but I was under the impression that it was a lot like Visual Interdev's, which I happen to like despite the fact that it's quite different than VC6's. Could you elaborate on why you think it "blows"? Thanks, Alvaro Re: Upgrade? Christian Graus23-Jan-02 11:39 Christian Graus 23-Jan-02 11:39  I'm more inclined to think it looks like VB6, and certainly a lot of it looks to me like change for changes sake. I couldn't find anything, and when I did I found it was degraded to look and feel like VB6. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOzI live in Bob's HungOut now Re: Upgrade? Chris Losinger20-Jan-02 19:39 Chris Losinger 20-Jan-02 19:39  Chris Maunder wrote: What more could you ask for? i want them to consolidate all of the thousands of string types (CString, std::string, std::wstring, char, wchar_t, TCHAR, BSTR, CComBSTR, _bstr_t, VARIANT/COleVariant/_variant_t (with vt=VT_BSTR), LPCSTR, LPTSTR, etc) into one fully functional string class (with all substring and comparison functions). i'm not interested in doing reference counting myself (let C++ handle that). i don't care to worry about Unicode, multibyte or ANSI, just give me one string class that works on all APIs, and write it so that i never have to use any kind of "detach" idea. that's one thing that i absolutely hate about doing COM programming these days. oh, and don't say ".Net has it" cause you know how i feel about that! but just between you and me, chris, i've been reading a book on C#, cause it does sound interesting. -c Smaller Animals Software, Inc. Re: Upgrade? Chris Maunder20-Jan-02 20:43 Chris Maunder 20-Jan-02 20:43  Chris Losinger wrote: i want them to consolidate all of the thousands of string types... You mean the .NET String class? Chris Losinger wrote: but just between you and me, chris, i've been reading a book on C#, cause it does sound interesting Don't worry - I won't tell no one cheers, Chris Maunder Re: Upgrade? Alvaro Mendez23-Jan-02 11:32 Alvaro Mendez 23-Jan-02 11:32  Chris, I'm probably wrong, but I seem to recall reading about two distinct string classes. One is "string" which is built into the C# language. The other is "String" which is used by .NET. What's the story there? Thanks, Alvaro Re: Upgrade? Chris Maunder23-Jan-02 11:37 Chris Maunder 23-Jan-02 11:37  The C# string aliases the .NET System.String class. cheers, Chris Maunder Re: Upgrade? Alvaro Mendez23-Jan-02 12:04 Alvaro Mendez 23-Jan-02 12:04  Oh boy... so it's somewhat like LPCTSTR being an alias for const TCHAR*, or BSTR for unsigned short*, etc... I bet that's gonna cause some confusion. Certainly the fact that you can write "string" or "String" in the same C# file doesn't sound very clean to me. By the way, which do you personally use? Regards, Alvaro Re: Upgrade? Chris Maunder23-Jan-02 12:18 Chris Maunder 23-Jan-02 12:18  Kind of, but not really. It's just you either use String or string (assuming you have #using System; at the top of your file) Personally I use string because the other types in C# are lowercase. cheers, Chris Maunder Re: Upgrade? Nemanja Trifunovic23-Jan-02 12:22 Nemanja Trifunovic 23-Jan-02 12:22  Chris Maunder wrote: Personally I use string because the other types in C# are lowercase. Also, it gets highlighted as a keyword in VS.NET. The same goes for object vs Object I vote pro drink Re: Upgrade? Christian Graus20-Jan-02 20:48 Christian Graus 20-Jan-02 20:48  Chris Losinger wrote: i want them to consolidate all of the thousands of string types (CString, std::string, std::wstring, What would be the point of 'consolidating' the std:: strings ? Or do you just mean make a string class that has iterators so it can be passed into STL functions ? Chris Losinger wrote: i don't care to worry about Unicode, multibyte or ANSI, just give me one string class that works on all APIs I've not done much in this area, but when in doubt, I find casting to bstr_t always works. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOzI live in Bob's HungOut now Re: Upgrade? Chris Losinger21-Jan-02 2:45 Chris Losinger 21-Jan-02 2:45  Christian Graus wrote: What would be the point of 'consolidating' the std:: strings ? ok, i guess 'consoldidate' was the wrong word. what i'd really like is to eliminate the need for using four different string classes in a project, just to please COM, the Win32 API, MFC and STL. -c Smaller Animals Software, Inc. Re: Upgrade? Christian Graus20-Jan-02 20:49 Christian Graus 20-Jan-02 20:49  Chris Maunder wrote: VS 7 has huge improvements in the areas of standard compliance, optimisation and debugging. What improvements have been made in terms of standards compliance and debugging ? Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOzI live in Bob's HungOut now Re: Upgrade? Andrew Peace21-Jan-02 13:39 Andrew Peace 21-Jan-02 13:39  Chris Maunder wrote: and cool new menus I buying it!!! -- Andrew. No plans, but.... Christian Graus20-Jan-02 18:32 Christian Graus 20-Jan-02 18:32  I'd personally like to look at it, but the nature of our app is such that for now we have no use for it at work, so I'll need to fork out myself. The prices I have seen so far make this unlikely... Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOzI live in Bob's HungOut now Re: No plans, but.... George20-Jan-02 18:56 George 20-Jan-02 18:56  Christian Graus wrote: The prices I have seen so far make this unlikely... Hopefully MS will issue the "Academic" version with limited features and cheaper. Re: No plans, but.... James T. Johnson20-Jan-02 20:48 James T. Johnson 20-Jan-02 20:48  An MS product without an Academic version is a rare sight to see! Just think of all those students using MS software getting pulled deeper into the MS regime as they go about their lives; I bet the MS Sales dept. have dreams about it! :P James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "Not be to confused with 'The VD Project'. Which would be a very bad pr0n flick. " - Michael P Butler Jan. 18, 2002

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