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Yes, it's not just the admins, i never stated anything different. But it is telling, that we had to fight with the problems of 5.x, 6.x, 7.x and 8.x of IE while version 9.x was already out and did at least some things better than their predecessor.
Some official and in-official stats showed clearly that mostly enterprises didn't update to the latest version, or never version. It's 2015, and i still have IE 5.x in the stats of the websites i'm counseling.
Also i think admins that install Chrome, Firefox and so on, have a completely different mentality, when it comes to updates. But that just theories.
All in all, from a consumer perspective, IE isn't that bad. And that is all Microsoft was always caring about. For us dev's it's a freaking nightmare and i don't think that will ever change.
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ignorance or indifference? I don't know and I don't care.
I am not developing web, so I don't really have any problem with IE. I personally use it in combination with Firefox and Chrome, depending on what I want to visit.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Well, I know what you mean. I never use ie for watching movies with hot pretty women.
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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That's exactly what the problem is. Why the need to use different browsers? Do you use one TV for the BBC and a different TV for Channel 4?
Alex Sanseau
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One thing that Microsoft team needs to understand is that Internet Explorer is helpfull, just to download some other better Internet explorer (a software to explore the internet, not the Internet ExplorerTM). Anyways, Internet Explorer is also a good explorer; no pun intended.
There are a lot of news in the market, that Spartan is coming with Windows 10[^] and it will do this and it will do that, I mean, what did Internet Explorer didn't do? Internet Explorer gave us a lot of opportunities to shape our designing skills, and to understand CSS and JavaScript better, best of all, it gave us the Twitter Bootstrap, Kudos for Internet Explorer from my side.
Finally, yes Spartan is coming, and it will replace the Internet Explorer as the default browser, but the fact that we, now, need to understand - and fathom - is that Internet Explorer is not going anywhere. Internet Explorer will still be there, as a back compatible version, for websites and other stuff. For this, you can read this qoute from the link I attached a few lines above.
Quote: Microsoft will continue to include Internet Explorer in Windows 10, and we understand this will be primarily for legacy compatibility reasons. Spartan is the main browser in Windows 10, and most users will be accessing the web using it.
Good luck for designers, good luck for developers!
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Uninstall Chrome! try it run fiddler you'll see what I mean.
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I use Opera, Firefox, Safari and I like IE, its just simple. And all those people whining about slow speed, I never had any slow speed problem. In fact I saw more problems in other browsers than IE.
People are like chain, one dislike, rest of them follows.
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You might not have compared running scripts in browsers.
If you didn't encounter problem with IE, then, you are very lucky.
We as a developer have very hard time running complex javascripts in IE. Specially till IE 9.
IE 9 above is at least OK but far behind. Unfortunately, some clients still uses IE 7 and 8.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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Facebook is completely generated by scripts, never have problem on IE.
Anurag Gandhi wrote: Unfortunately, some clients still uses IE 7 and 8.
It is those clients fault, not IE. They are suppose to update and use newest possible version.
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Facebook might have problem developing scripts for IE. 
That what I too faced developing client side scripts for IE (specially IE 8).
It was quite slow and I had to optimize a lot to make it smooth in IE 8.
Users won't know much difference unless he will measure render time.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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If you are going to support wide range of users, then you have to do extra work. As a developer, to make an awesome application, extra work is always required. It is not IE fault, look at its versions release dates. IE 8 was released in 2009, and you are developing a website in 2014 or 15, how do you suppose it should still understand the current technology if its not updated to newer version.
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IE has so much negative baggage it has built up over the years is best to retire it and start fresh with something new.
think of it like Notepad and Wordpad that both come with Windows. IE can be the Notepad version of the browser that comes with windows.
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It's a bad idea to drop product that is a household name, but IE is considered old and is losing market share as we speak. It is risky, though.
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and focus on the stuff that makes them money, and us money.
They can keep a bare bones browser, but let Google/etc. handle the browser stuff.
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Microsoft needs a good CEO.
People forget how innovative MS was in the early days. Windows, Office sweet (which is still bringing in the money, Access, COM, DHTML, SOAP ... IE was infinitely superior to Netscape. Unfortunately Monkey-boy was terrible and managed to even miss the phone market. IE was allowed to rot. And Windows seems to get worse after each major release.
I'm afraid I don't think Satya Nadella is the answer either.
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Very good points. I agree. In my mind I equate Microsoft to any great person or entity that used to be a top contender and now they are not. The CEO for MS now is just as bad as Ballmer was, if not worse.
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I've never understood the debate about which browser is best - they all do pretty much the same thing. So, they get rid of IE and replace it with something which does the same thing.
I'm on the edge of my seat in anticipation.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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The whole debate comes from web developers, not users. IE (used to be?) is behind other browsers when it comes to implementing web standards and the developers hate it. Most regular users couldn't care less and have every right to not care.
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Well, that makes sense. But then why is a new browser a good thing - it's yet one more test case for web developers.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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...and throw away HTML at the same time.
Why do we need a "human readable" browser language at all?
Why not do it in a more transfer efficient manner and use a binary format instead? Getting rid of CSS, and HTML, and all that (probably obsolete) baggage could make the whole thing work better...and we would stand a chance of getting "browser independence" at the same time. I don;t know about you, but I'm sick and tired of having "special case" web code to deal with the various flavours and interpretations of HTML out there, and having to test everything on at least three different browsers...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Seconded. HTML is a vile curse on the earth.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Let's throw JavaScript onto the same pile while we're at it.
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Horrible Terrible Moronic Language
Crappy Stupid Sunshines
Just Another Vile Awful Script
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Oh f*** yes, chuck the whole web stack and start again, do it right, machines are fast enough to render as you design (well almost). Give the poor bloody users a decent UI and the developers something that make a modicum of sense.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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