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Right, it can be debated endlessly without reaching a conclusion.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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In the UK it does mean debatable, so I think there is trans-pondage confusion. Still, my point is moot.
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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Yes, that's one of the definitions. Others are:
- Irrelevant
- Insignificant due to already being settled.
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There are some things good about Windows 8/8.1 - it boots faster, generally runs snappier than Windows 7.
The problem is the UI - it just gets in the way. For me, an OS should be transparent in that it just enables you to get on with what you want to do. Metro/Modern UI is too busy shouting "hey, look at me!" all the time.
In the end, I've had to install Start8 just so I can keep Metro/Modern UI tucked safely out of the way.
As for apps from the Windows Store, I haven't found a single one that's any use - I generally get better functionality from the web.
I was looking forward to UI improvements when I first heard about Windows 8. I think Windows 7 needed bringing up to date, but the Metro/Modern UI path just isn't right in my opinion. Windows 9 doesn't look like a big leap forward either.
Finger's crossed that they'll get it right in Windows 10.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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If you ignore Metro / Modern its an improved Win 7... Boots much faster, UX is faster & smoother, just need to get through the learning curve
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Be brave little warrior, be VERY brave
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I have no idea how it work, I had installed windows 8 for a year aprox. but it is not possible to install windows 8.1 because you need to have your user directory in the same disk as windows, then I suppose that many people as I can not install it. Put the user file in a different disk has been for many time a good practice, but appear that Microsoft has forgot it. Also the other group of people that used solid disk and have not the space to put the documents in the solid disk, also can not install w 8.1.
Maybe someone can explain me, why this difficult to understand behavior of Microsoft that has not give us a solution for update the operating system without destroy our configuration?
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isnt it possible to move these directories by editing the settings of that dir (or in the rightclicking menu) 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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But I prefer 7, sorry I just do
Doesn't mean 8.1 is bad (it's really good), but 7 just makes me happy
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I like the Metro window manager when I'm using my Surface Pro, but Classic Shell is installed on my desktop so it acts more like Vista/Win7.
The kernel and userland are too fat. A full installation of Win2k is a few hundred megabytes and can live happily in 256MB of RAM. Windows 8.1 is what, 20GB? Even a tiny installation of the embedded edition is about 5GB if I recall correctly.
Of course in Windowsland and Macland the kernel, userland, and the window manager are one take-it-or-leave-it package. If I didn't need Windows 8.x for development (for metro and windows phone apps) I'd still happily be using Win2k.
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I don't like and don't dislike Windows 8.1.
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Windows: Life Without Walls[^] was, once upon a time, a marketing campaign of MicroShaft.
When I heard of this via a radio spot, I *immediately* conceived a parody commercial based upon this very marketing campaign statement, that being "Windows: Life Without Walls".
Here is that commercial, text-only version (yeah, ya gotta use yer imagination...):
Scene I
[Camera view: From 1000 feet, zooming in on a non-descript computer operating system company's office (non-descript logo on building's side) in a town not unlike that of, say, Redmond, Washington, USA]
A computer operating system employee (COSE) is getting off work, walking out to & getting into his eco-friendly car & driving off toward the nearby evergreen pine tree-laden mountains.
Scene II
[Camera view: Somewhere in the nearby evergreen forest]
COSE drives into a "clearing" amongst the evergreens, gets out and meets with a home developer who then holds up plans for a home, pointing here & there. They both nod in concurrence.
Scene III
[Camera view: from a simple distance showing most, and sometimes all, of house in various construction stages; hammering and other construction sounds in the background]
COSE & developer 20 ~ 30 feet from house, off in the nearby-distance here & there watching progress, nodding in approval.
Scene IV
[Camera view: The nearby evergreen forest where the home is being developed]
COSE, in eco-friendly car, drives into once "clearing" where now a new, bright & shiny 2-story house exists.
He gets out, the developer hands him the keys, they shake hands, and developer drives off.
Scene V
[Camera view: Just outside front door, facing front door]
COSE enters home.
[Camera view: Now inside, from larger Great Room area, facing COSE]
COSE walks into the center of the Great Room, viewing the outside "nature" through the various large windows, some nearly the height of the 2 story home.
[Camera View: From COSE's point-of-view, showing grandiose outside views through 2-story windows.]
[Camera view: back inside on COSE, 10 feet away and 10 feet high]
Camera begins to pull back and up, going "through" larger 2-story windows to the outside, up to about 200 feet high; COSE can't be readily seen; hold camera for 3 ~ 5 seconds to allow the sounds of nature to set in.
All the walls suddenly disappear, leaving just the windows suspended in mid-air, with clear view of COSE standing in the middle of them all.
Scene VI
[Camera view: about 15 feet away from and 10 feet above COSE, with several of the larger 2-story windows in the background]
COSE has exceedingly startled look on his face as to where and why in the hell all the walls just up and disappeared.
[Hold camera for 2 ~ 4 seconds while...]
COSE looks around in stuttered & confused amazement.
[A sudden mildly rushing whoosh of wind is heard, then massive breaking of glass all around as windows fall to the ground quasi-violently shattering all over the place.]
COSE puts hands/arms over head to "protect" himself, ducking down to the ground (he's far enough away he's not hurt).
After a few seconds, COSE begins to look out from under his arms, slowly standing up, hands/arms coming to in front of him (hands facing outward a little as if to be readily available once again to protect himself) all the while still in utter confused astonishment. House keys can be seen dangling in one hand.
[Camera slowly pulls back and up to about 100 feet high, showing full area of the home's foundation, and then some, with scattered broken glass everywhere.]
COSE is standing in the middle of the chaos that just occurred, looking around.
[Fade in larger-print statement.]
A Life of Windows Without Walls.
Scene VII
Fade to white.
Fade in non-descript competitor operating system company logo.
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modified 21-Jul-14 13:50pm.
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and no plans to do so in the future.
As I grow older I've found that pleasing everyone is impossible but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.
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I will vote NO until:
1.The Left-Click Start Menu from the 7 days is given back to us.
2. The stupid charms bar is never seen.
- Don't "inform" me about 3rd party utilities such as classic shell - everybody knows that.
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I am still stuck in a world of Windows XP and Windows 7. At work, we finally got rid of all of the XP machines and moved on to Windows 7. Windows 8 or 8.1 (or 8.anything)? We are going to skip that unless we are forced, kicking and screaming, to move to it. We plan to wait for Windows 9.
At home, I hope to retire my XP machine later this year, if I can save the money. I work for a .org, so you can guess how big my paycheck is..... 
Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now.
© 2009, Rex Hammock
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Apparently not!
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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If I was running it on a non touchscreen device, I would hate it
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I think you have hit one of the main nails on the head there. And the main problem with touch screens, is that people and companies do not have, and are not intending to acquire, them for PC use.
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After about an hour, it was decent to use. I find it easier to find things by clicking the Microsoft button and typing what I want instead of clicking the start button, waiting, and then scrolling up and down trying to find what I need.
Personally, I like it a lot, but I find Windows Server 2012 a bit hard right now. It too will take some time to get used to.
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A fellow commuter was asking me how hard it is to change back from Win8 to Win7 on his laptop.
He hates the thing, specifically mentioning the tiles.
I had personally believed that the mortals would like Win8 because it's so shiny and child-like in appearance. I guess that, with use, even they get nauseated.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Feature request: Support to run android .apk apps natively on win9 (like an .exe file) 
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The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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Personally, it took time for me to adjust, but I prefer Windows 8.1 to Windows 8. I think that the main problem is still the whole "Metro" interface, although it's easier to get around it in Win8.1
if (Broken)
then fix.this
else !fix.this
end-if
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some kind of Start Menu replacement
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Just like that...
I find it cool, nice UI, nice file management features and all but the truth is that I couldn't care less.
Windows 7 just works for me and I'm planning to keep it for a long time.
In fact I think I might skip a windows version for the first time after 3.11 
Cheers!
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