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IMO.
thatrajaNobody remains a virgin, Life screws everyone
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I wake up everyday to discover so many new things happening and so many new work going on. So I tell myself, well my knowledge is not enough. Let me first acquire the skill X so that I can put myself in the same horizon as others. 10 Years have gone by quickly. The feeling that I am not good enough and I need improvement drives my craze to learn. However it may effect somebody as one may suffer from loss of confidence.
I will say it in this way, I am above average algorithm developer, average c# programmers, bellow average wpf skills, average java skills, bellow average Android........
Therefore the accurate question should be how confident are you as a developer? Then I can say, I am pretty sure that the project or module I am working on will be finished and on time in any given technology(known or unknown). Rating is based on what you do in a technology and in todays time most of the time you are working on a different technology even before you get time to rate yourself.
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Don't knowing things does not make you a bad developer - Not trying to figure out things and being close-minded about learning something new makes you a bad dev!
You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colon."
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Yes you are right. But I think most of the devs try to know things and solve a problem. But when I look at some of the developers, man they are efficient in JSON, they are good in WPF, they write mobile Apps, They do cloud things. Which means they are doing it at a rate much better than me. Sometimes I feel jealous of these guys and try to cope up with it. Look, I haven't yet written a HTML5/ Cloud article in CP. But when I will be in a position to be on par with these fellow devs, may be things will change.
Also I have not realized how fast the time went. Journey of being referred as kid to referring few as Kid. Too fast.
To your point I also want to add, if the survey was on eagerness or curiosity to learn and figure out things, I would have voted myself well above being motivated. That would be interesting survey isn't it? I can then know how many others feels just as restless as me to try learn things.
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but I think, when I would see myself above average, I had to vote well above average, as above average is the average here.
My option isn't available: Simply the best.
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Quote: Simply the best. but, but but... I am Simply The Best (in my office)! Perhaps we all are?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: but, but but... I am Simply The Best (in my office)! Perhaps we all are?
Right! So, why can't we vote that?!
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Klingon average.
Veni, vidi, vici.
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Did you hear about the Klingon Resturant Critic?
If so, perhaps today is a good day to dine.
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In my department I am one of the best (told by my boss and customers).
So I would say above average in what I constantly do...
but in the rest... Average or below average.
On the other hand... I think that the important point is not how good are you in one technology, but how fast do you learn new things and adapt you knowledge to resolve the problems you become on the fly.
Nothing is how it firstly seems and the good developers must be able to restructure concepts fast in order to get to the goal as much efficiently as possible.
I am not sure but I think this an Einstein's quote: "I don't learn what I can find in my bag/pocket"
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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depends on how you define average
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This is a tricky question for me...
It depends on the day really... Some days when everything works out, I feel good. Other days it goes wrong and I feel like the lowest guy ever.
I said average, but it might be a bit of an overstatement, as I don't even really went to college yet ( life is being a bit of a b*tch right now, Portugal isn't doin' much better either )
It's not like I'm dumb or anything, I get a project proposal I design the DB, then code the application. But I feel like I'm missing so much "information" that it hinders me from getting into the next level.
I remember taking a few lessons from Stanford University Online Courses, about database and they started with algebra. I remember loving it, the way the logic was laid out, the way it got more challenging each day. Unfortunatly I stopped having the time for it, but it kind of made the feeling that I was missing something even worse.
What about you guys? How many of went to take a degree, and how many think that the information you got there is vital for what your job is right now?
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I learnt nothing at university that has been of any use in a job.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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Not even as a basis for something else?
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Now I don't feel that bad that I didn't go to university.
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."
<< please vote!! >>
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I always say that the best I learned in the University was how to self-teach and research.
From the contents I once saw in the lessons, I have used 5% or 10% maximum in my professional life.
But the methodic and the part of the way of thinking... I use it every day
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I got a B.S. in mathematics, thus I was well trained in logic. Has helped me immensely - I understand problem solving and I'm not afraid to accept problems. I've only done a little with "actual math/statistics" but I've been developing software for over 25 years.
I'm guessing you're young (< 30) ... get the/a degree. You'll be glad you did.
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Yeah I am, just turned 25 3 days ago.
Yeah I really want to, even if I can't right now, hopefully I will be able to in the near future. Not sure in what yet, I will have to make that decision when the time comes according to what I have available to me at that time.
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A lot of what we learn seems to be ignored at work but, the reality is that we need to learn even the most esoteric elements in order to understand the parts that we do use. Nothing is wasted.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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Indeed ... I raised two wonderful daughters and always told them such things. When they would complain about math, I merely suggested that such was "brain pushups"
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I have a pretty strong math background myself. Got a B.S. in applied computer science, for what it's worth. The only content I took with me from my degree was relational DB design and assembler. Skill wise, I learned how to think programmatically from the 2 semesters of C and COBOL I took. Other than that, the rest was garbage.
However, if you can find an excellent program to get into, I say go for it when you can. Otherwise, there's nothing that you will learn that you already haven't learned on the job. If you want to learn more conceptual stuff, I say pick up a book. I personally have learned more from doing that than I ever did in college.
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All above average developers are liars. I am an above average developer.
Peter Wasser
Art is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Frank Zappa
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I read your profile. Most of the above average developers I have worked with had Electrical Engineering, Physics, and Math backgrounds.
David
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Very kind. I think you are paying tribute to a good education so perhaps those of us who have it are very lucky. A big topic however.
Peter Wasser
Art is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Frank Zappa
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