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 depends on how you define average
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This is a tricky question for me...
It depends on the day really... Some days when everything works out, I feel good. Other days it goes wrong and I feel like the lowest guy ever.
I said average, but it might be a bit of an overstatement, as I don't even really went to college yet ( life is being a bit of a b*tch right now, Portugal isn't doin' much better either )
It's not like I'm dumb or anything, I get a project proposal I design the DB, then code the application. But I feel like I'm missing so much "information" that it hinders me from getting into the next level.
I remember taking a few lessons from Stanford University Online Courses, about database and they started with algebra. I remember loving it, the way the logic was laid out, the way it got more challenging each day. Unfortunatly I stopped having the time for it, but it kind of made the feeling that I was missing something even worse.
What about you guys? How many of went to take a degree, and how many think that the information you got there is vital for what your job is right now?
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I learnt nothing at university that has been of any use in a job.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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Not even as a basis for something else?
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Now I don't feel that bad that I didn't go to university.
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."
<< please vote!! >>
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I always say that the best I learned in the University was how to self-teach and research.
From the contents I once saw in the lessons, I have used 5% or 10% maximum in my professional life.
But the methodic and the part of the way of thinking... I use it every day
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I got a B.S. in mathematics, thus I was well trained in logic. Has helped me immensely - I understand problem solving and I'm not afraid to accept problems. I've only done a little with "actual math/statistics" but I've been developing software for over 25 years.
I'm guessing you're young (< 30) ... get the/a degree. You'll be glad you did.
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Yeah I am, just turned 25 3 days ago.
Yeah I really want to, even if I can't right now, hopefully I will be able to in the near future. Not sure in what yet, I will have to make that decision when the time comes according to what I have available to me at that time.
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A lot of what we learn seems to be ignored at work but, the reality is that we need to learn even the most esoteric elements in order to understand the parts that we do use. Nothing is wasted.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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Indeed ... I raised two wonderful daughters and always told them such things. When they would complain about math, I merely suggested that such was "brain pushups" 
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I have a pretty strong math background myself. Got a B.S. in applied computer science, for what it's worth. The only content I took with me from my degree was relational DB design and assembler. Skill wise, I learned how to think programmatically from the 2 semesters of C and COBOL I took. Other than that, the rest was garbage.
However, if you can find an excellent program to get into, I say go for it when you can. Otherwise, there's nothing that you will learn that you already haven't learned on the job. If you want to learn more conceptual stuff, I say pick up a book. I personally have learned more from doing that than I ever did in college.
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All above average developers are liars. I am an above average developer.
Peter Wasser
Art is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Frank Zappa
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I read your profile. Most of the above average developers I have worked with had Electrical Engineering, Physics, and Math backgrounds.
David
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Very kind. I think you are paying tribute to a good education so perhaps those of us who have it are very lucky. A big topic however.
Peter Wasser
Art is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Frank Zappa
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Your welcome, but it's only my personal observation.
David
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I mean how you going to say one is good developer?
by comparing with colleagues in a team?
by answering the question in forums & getting accepted or up votes?
by not struggling in the work?
by knowing how/when/why use the software terminology in the programming?
or by talking intellectually 
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judge by the satisfaction of the customer/client upon the software.
The customer/client:
- is very happy with the software: Good Developer
- is somehow happy with the software: Average Developer
- is unhappy with the software: Bad Developer
there is no perfect code to write.
another criteria to judge a developer is good or not: WTFs/Minute
http://www.osnews.com/story/19266/WTFs_m[^]
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I like WTFs/Minute concept.
Thanks
-Amit Gajjar
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One just knows...
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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by producing good stuff 
David
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That's right other developer does the same thing, they also produce the good stuff. I mean where you can see your self as good bad average?
Does the producing good stuff means you are good in software development?
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guess so, what's the criteria for each rating?
David
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1:1 ratio.
You did ask how I scaled... 
Keep Clam And Proofread
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√(-1) 23 ∑ π...
And it was delicious.
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Oh you seem well above the average
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