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I've been using MS compilers since the days of QuickC. The early compilers, especially C/C++ 7, were really awful.
But I remember when I switched from VC1.5 to VC4. Wow! Every single thing about the new IDE was better. I don't think I've ever liked a (serious) program so much.
Unfortunately, they never did this again. Every other time, it was three steps forward, two steps back.
I like VS6 better than VC4, and the VC2003 compiler is much better than the VC6 compiler (though I despise the new IDE so much I still use VC6 much of the time), but there were some things I really miss about VC4. In VS5 (aka 97), the corruption of the help system began. Back in VS4, you never, ever, saw VB rubbish appear in a C++ help file. You also never felt that the IDE was being used as a vehicle to leverage Microsoft's monopoly into new areas.
So my vote is for VC4, even though it's a long time since it was usable.
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Let's face it, i thought VS2k3 was the best thing since sliced bread, until the VS2k5 beta showed up. Now, improved XSLT editing and a better class browser (not to mention high-color shaded breakpoint icons) make VS2k3 look dated and creaky. Yeah, even though it's too slow and flaky to actually use, VS2k5 will be my fav... right up until VS2k7* comes out in beta!
*this is the one that finally integrates VisualStudio with a slick vector graphics interface and Clippy (the two features most desired by hard-core programmers). 
"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things..."
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Shog9 wrote:
Clippy
Software Zen: delete this;
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Shog9 wrote:
and Clippy
Personally I prefer the wizard.
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I used to work on VS6 but now i am working on mobile handset software which has no relationship with VC++ so i just use VS6 as an editor, take advantage of src control software, compilation and debuging.
-prakash
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My favourite version of Visual Studio is not the one I am using now. Today I am working with VS 2003, but I am really looking forward to the 2005 Version. What I am really waiting for is the refactoring support.
Greets
Roland
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We decided to start developing with the beta at work. Aside from it being a resource hog, it's a really powerful IDE. Now that I've got a taste of some of the refactorings built into VS2005, 2003 seems like an old shoe, and VC6 seems like a stone age invention (albeit, a lean & fast stone age invention  ).
2005 also has some really cool Click Once deployment options built right into the IDE -- you can build & debug your app using limited security scenarios, deploy .NET client apps onto network shares, ftp servers, or locally.
I also like the visual class designer where you can create, modify, and delete class variables, properties, and methods visually, and add and modify the documention of your objects all within a single visual window without having to sift through the code view. I find this especially useful in large classes.
There's also the object testbench which is pretty nifty for testing out new objects or feeding a variety of values into your objects as you design them.
My only complaint would be how resource intensive it is. I've got 11 projects loaded into a solution and I'm hitting around 100MB of VM by the time all are loaded, and even double that after debugging for a few hours. But I'll hold that complaint until MS released an optimized final build early next year.
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Judah Himango
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I too am testing with VS2005,
It has great features and a lot of bugs 
Besides that, a great program!
"Every rule in a world of bits and bytes can be bend or eventually be broken"
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We've only encountered minor bugs in the software (mostly with the Forms Designer). Any serious ones you've ran into?
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Judah Himango
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I have discovered some problems with the toolbar and some problems with the class designer. But I think these will be solved in the final version.
"Every rule in a world of bits and bytes can be bend or eventually be broken"
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I already told them a long time ago
And I haven't installed the latest beta, so I don't know if they already solved the problems.
"Every rule in a world of bits and bytes can be bend or eventually be broken"
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Michael Dunn wrote:
I thought Visual Studio 97 was version 5, then MS went back to version numbers again with v6 in 1998
Hmmm... I think you might be right, but the VC version was still 5.0, even though the entire suite was called Visual Studio. I have never heard anyone refer to that particular version as "VC++ 97", it was always VC++ x.yy (1.0, 1.xx, 2.0, 4.0, 4.xx, 5.0, 6.0, .NET '02, .NET '03, etc.)
Anyone remember the Visual Studio Subscription (circa the 4.0 days), when MS thought it would be a great idea to have the version of MFC match the version of the IDE? (It started and ended with the 4.x series! )
(Hell, I remember my amazement when Resource Studio [IIRC] was first incorporated into the IDE and was no longer a separate application back in the 3.1 days!  )
Peace!
-=- James
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Yeah, that really propelled the "always link statically" mentality. 
An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
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There is mfc71.dll came from VS .Net 2k3.
Maxwell Chen
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James R. Twine wrote:
(Hell, I remember my amazement when Resource Studio [IIRC] was first incorporated into the IDE and was no longer a separate application back in the 3.1 days
Oh, don't start going down that road!;P I remember when I was amazed that you had colour syntax highlighting in the dos editor for Borland C (whatever version circa 199X).
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I am right there with you, buddy! -But only so far...
Moving from Turbo C++ and Turbo Pascal (1.0/DOS) to the Windows-based ones was quite an experience...! Remember Memory Models and using Overlays for larger executables?
My road only goes down as far as using cassettes for storage on TRS-80s and C= machines... None of that punch-card-deck or paper-tape stuff for me; that is before my time! Although I have used hard-copy terminals before! -Not for development work.
Peace!
-=- James
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James R. Twine wrote:
Overlays for larger executables
Must. resist. flashback. Oh no...
My senior project in college (Wright State University, 1984) was a demonstration of a 3D hidden surface removal algorithm using Binary Space Partitioning[^] trees. It included several other significant algorithms in the rendering process.
Since this was done on a 64K CP/M system, rendering a single image took 5 overlay swaps, and about 2 minutes.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Hmm, BSP trees are still quite often used in modern games, although there not used for the traditional reasons probably used back in the 80s
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And I had no idea VS97 existed. I remember buying the student version of VC5, and when I started working there was a brand new VC6.
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Weiter, weiter, ins verderben.
Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.
I blog too now[^]
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 No more doing surveys after midnight.
You're right though - I was getting VC and VS mixed up.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Michael Dunn wrote:
I thought Visual Studio 97 was version 5, then MS went back to version numbers again with v6 in 1998.
I was using VS/VC 5.0 until my company switched to VS.NET. To me there are only two and a half versions of VS/VC prior to VS.NET, 1.51, 4.0 (used only briefly), and 5.0, the rest do not exist.
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