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Has been tried before - Human language isn't precise enough for today's machines.
Doing exactly what you're told, not what the instructions mean, is a basic technique of civil disobedience. So imagine, computers that refuse to do what they should, and putting the blame on you saying the wrong thing...
"Dor säggsische Dialeggt eechnet sich wie keeen onderor für den Ausdrugg zäärdlischor Gefiehle."
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen
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Is Smalltalk.
Its the most productive, and enjoyable "experience". Use it for any period of time, and you will end up me: Waking up in the mornings dreading the thought of going to work, because you'll have to use compilers and IDEs in which you can't select a chunk of code, right click on it and select "do it", and have it run before your very eyes.
The syntax is highly offputting to begin with though.
Why is Smalltalk not even in this list? There are free Smalltalk environments for Windows.
I can't believe it was created in the '70s, some of the concepts, 30 years old, ahead of their time, and todays mainstream ide's don't implement them.
WHY?!?! WHY MUST WE LIVE IN THE DARK!?!?!
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"There are free Smalltalk environments for Windows."
There are free Perl environments for Windows. It doesn't make it a popular or worthwhile investment...
"werewnt we going to run off and start a convent on as islandf]"
-David Wulff, again on MSN while plastered...
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman
Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^]
Blog [^]
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Please never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever mention smalltalk again. Random crashes after working for hours on a project are just half of it's problems. And it's not like you can save every 15 mins, seeing as you have to take a friggin image of the whole vm just to save a few changes.
They made us learn smalltalk for my OO class in college, and i swear no one ever touches the stuff after that.
You're right today's mainstream IDE's don't implement smalltalk's example. Thank goodness.
D Daniel Larsen, Professional Casanova
Blood, Sweat, Toil and Tears
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Daniel Larsen wrote:
They made us learn smalltalk for my OO class in college, and i swear no one ever touches the stuff after that.
I agree same here. And the IDE that was available for me at the time (about 10 years ago) was very unstable for me also...
John
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Smalltalk might be a good language to use when teaching OO, because its very hard to avoid OO when using Smalltalk. Even the figure 42 is an object.
In most other languages you can avoid using OO-methods.
Ture
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Isn't everything an object in C#?
John
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I know all data types, predefined and user-defined, inherit from the System.Object class. I guess what is missing is values.
John
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What in C# is not an object? Even an Integer is derrived from the Object-Class.
Thomas Krause
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In my opinion Yes, everything is an object. I posted a similar question[^] not long ago in the C# forum and the only person who responded (David Stone) said that value types are not objects.
I disagree. I think an object is just a instance of a type that has properties and/or methods. How it's allocated is not really relevant. In C++ an instance of a class can be allocated on the stack, just like a value type in C#, yet it's still considered an object.
Also, the fact that everything derives from System.Object is yet another indication that everything is an object.
Regards,
Alvaro
Hey! It compiles! Ship it.
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Also, the fact that everything derives from System.Object is yet another indication that everything is an object
Pointers are .NET types and they do not derive from System.Object. See this article[^] for details:
We were led to believe in C# that everything is an object. However, this is not true. Pointers are indeed a recognized type in CLR; but, they are neither a descendant of Object nor of ValueType - they are a root of their own, with no member functions, not ToString(), not even GetType().
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Thanks for the link.
OK, so pointers are the exception to the rule. But then again, unmanaged code is also the exception in .NET.
Regards,
Alvaro
Hey! It compiles! Ship it.
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
OK, so pointers are the exception to the rule. But then again, unmanaged code is also the exception in .NET.
C# pointers are used in managed code. C# can't generate unmanaged code.
You can do it on anything you choose - from .bat to .net - A customer
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Wow, 10 years ago.
What development tools were you using for Windows 3.1 back then?
What sort of general protection fault errors were you scratching your head over?
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Well, back in '93 I was just getting the hang of Basic on a Spectrum clone (with 48kB of RAM and a tape recorder)  Back then I didn't even know PC's existed! 
Florin Crisan
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Maybe, maybe not...I believe it all depends on the field...
You have no use of a car if you need to fly...and using a plane is simply impractical when u just need a road 
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Yeah...C++ is that Language. And you can have one enigne so car & plane both can share the power.
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This is like Deep Thought, from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Trilogy. Deep Thought (a computer) designed the greatest computer ever to be known: Earth.
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evolutions, man, evolutions....
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Statements like those are the doom of computer science ...
About the only thing in CS that still haven't evolved is language.
Why ?
Not because people haven't discovered anything new.
Because everyone just pick the most popular language like the natural thing to do.
So, I might correct previous statement to something along the lines : languages HAVE evolved, but people still prefer dinosaurs out of mental inertia.
People spend countless hours trying to find and learn the best platform, the best framework, the best library, the best algorithm, the best data structure BUT nada for the language, the very thing they will use to build and glue everything together.
All that being said, C++ is good at low level stuff and at to the metal optimizations. Nothing more. Really.
Some languages that really shine when put under an inquisitive light :
SmallTalk (There is a S# compiler available from SmallScript[^])
Python
And dare I say it, LISP !!
And no, as far as I'm concerned, NOT Perl !!!!
Sébastien
Intelligence shared is intelligence squared.
Homepage : http://www.slorion.webhop.org
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Sébastien Lorion wrote:
All that being said, C++ is good at low level stuff and at to the metal optimizations. Nothing more. Really.
Really?[^]
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