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dandy72 wrote: someone's seriously dropped the ball.
Write your congressman to have them pass a law?
dandy72 wrote: so his phone was still capable of reporting back how much gas was left in the tank, unlocking the doors
I probably do not want my phone to unlock the doors. I absolutely do not want it telling me about the gas. Car should have a gauge for that.
So no reason for me to install an app. But I might stir myself to figure out how to disable any smarts like that completely on a new car that I owned.
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jschell wrote: no reason for me to install an app. But I might stir myself to figure out how to disable any smarts like that completely on a new car that I owned.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
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jschell wrote: I probably do not want my phone to unlock the doors. I absolutely do not want it telling me about the gas. Car should have a gauge for that.
And they do.
And as I said, my dad's not a smartphone guy. But when he heard the app could give him these readouts and make these functions available to him, he insisted I install it on his phone for him, despite me pointing out these apps are typically BS you only use once or twice, then never look at again. And as it turned out, the app wasn't compatible with the LG phone he had at the time, and he actually replaced it with some Samsung just to get the app going.
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dandy72 wrote: and he actually replaced it with some Samsung just to get the app going.
So he was really excited about it.
Did he use it after the initial thrill?
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I'd have to ask him. Probably not very often.
Having a smartphone is still a new thing for him. At least he still behaves that way. After 4+ years.
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Problem is, the app requires an email address, and I'm betting the rest of my dad's profile is linked to it, so if I enter it after reinstalling (so he can manage his newer car) the data will still be there. But, worth a try...
(and if that's the solution, then that's still bad design)
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Your father's old car was presumably sold to him as "the last car he'll ever need to buy". If he decided otherwise, that's not the dealer's fault. /s
Seriously, some designer(s) definitely dropped the ball in the design of both the Android software and the car's software.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Your father's old car was presumably sold to him as "the last car he'll ever need to buy".
My dad was a mechanic for a new car dealer for over 40 years, he knows all the types of salesguys that get hired (and fired). If one tried to sell him a car as such, he would've been made very well aware his BS wasn't gonna fly with him.
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Car manufacturers should perhaps install a big Red button near the dashboard, saying
DISABLE ALL MOBILE CONTROLS TO THIS CAR. (Till i manually turn them on via hardware).
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dandy72 wrote: It annoys me to no end, knowing these possibilities, that dealers could be so careless.
It's likely most dealer don't even know this, so it's not carelessness, it's ignorance.
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I've seen (without seeking them out) countless articles and TV shows where these sorts of things are discussed and demonstrated; cars have had remote features for many years now--these guys are aware of what's going on in the industry.
So at this point in time, if dealers aren't aware of this, it's not ignorance, I insist it is outright carelessness.
modified 16-Feb-24 9:30am.
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dandy72 wrote: if dealers aren't aware of this
Perhaps 'dealer' singular rather than plural?
Or even maybe there is no way, on an older car, to do anything about it?
Googling suggests that it is possible to do a factory reset on at least some cars which support pairing. Seems like something more reputable dealers would probably do.
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jschell wrote: Or even maybe there is no way, on an older car, to do anything about it?
We're talking about 2022 vs 2023.
jschell wrote: Seems like something more reputable dealers would probably do.
...if you ask them the right salesguy who happens to know anything at all about the products he's selling.
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dandy72 wrote: if you ask them the right salesguy
I know reputable dealers look over used cars and even make some repairs. So process of doing that would be to do a reset.
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... that's when I watch anything, which is pretty much only when i am eating, because my anxiety issues preclude any drama or "cringe humor".
Anyway, on the show Wheeler Dealers, Elvis the mechanic was rechipping a little Fiat sports car, and the remap chip was an ST. I use STs professionally. Not for remapping ECU fuel/air tables but still, I thought it was neat.
I'm interested in metal fab, hot rodding (or otherwise voiding a warranty), and gonzo engineering so it's fun to see a little bit of that crossover into what I do.
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I think Wheeler Dealers lost something when Ed China left!
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Everybody says that!
And "Ant sucks. It's not his fault, it's just him" 
I liked Ant.
And Elvis is great too.
I guess Ed was my favorite mechanic, thinking on it.
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Well, Ed was there at the start ok the first few episodes looking at them now you can see the 'cringe' (I don't really know what to say...). Well last I heard he was going to try to take back the his fastest 'living room' record...
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I watch mechanics like South Main Auto and Ramyond Ray's Repairs.
I really don't know why.
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I'll have to see if I can find those on motortrend.
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Are you a fan of Doug DeMuro too?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I like wheeler dealer, too.
I can also recommend youtube channel "flying sparks garage".
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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sounds like cheap therapy. You're going to be fine. 
And I'm pretty messed up at the moment. I refuse to take anymore prescriptions.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Yeah I'm done with anxiety meds unless they give me something strong prescribed PRN, but I think that would just knock me out.
I've gotten pretty good at heading off panic attacks using mental exercises, but they don't help much with generalized anxiety itself.
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