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I am an application operator, so I do not have Administrator / root rights anywhere, I don't have remote login rights, etc.
With centralized VCS, I need a sudoer to create a repo.
With git + TortoiseGit, I can make a local repo anywhere, and at least track my scripts.
This is centralized vs. distributed, svn vs. git.
(At home I use svn, because, as we say here, everything is beautiful at home, 6 cores, 12 threads, 32 GB of RAM and sudo rigths  )
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I used to use SVN years ago. I recall there were a few minor annoyances, but by and large it was a good bit of kit, and TortoiseSVN was a good UI. In more recent years I've used Mercurial. Like Git it lets you have one (or many) local copies of everything on the server, which can be handy for speed or if you might have periods where you can't access the server. It also means that if the server catches fire, there's a fair chance people will have a copy of the source code somewhere. TortoiseHg has Mercurial covered. It's a good UI and like SVN, things work pretty smoothly most of the time.
Fairly recently our team moved to Git. So far it seems very much that "Git" is rhyming slang. The Tortoise offering offers far less for Git. There are a lot of Git UIs out there, but it's tough to find a good one, especially if it needs to be free. Visual Studio does sort of okay on that front. As a result, I do a lot on the command line when using Git. Git's concept of branches, to me at least, seems far weaker than Mercurial's. It just seems to keep a record of the latest changeset for each branch and keeps a record of the parent changeset. Finding your branch's parent branch is at best tricky, at worst impossible. For me, Git has few if any advantages over Mercurial, and as a bonus has an unpleasant learning curve and unnecessary complexity. The whole world apparently disagrees with me, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone as long as Mercurial is available. But if SVN is serving you, there's no shame in sticking with what you know, either. You could give Git or Mercurial a test drive on a personal/mini project if you want to see if the grass is truly greener (spoiler: with Git, it's less grass and more wasteland with bonus fly-tipping).
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Subversion is not distributed. What this means practically is that there's no command like "git push", and this means that committing requites a working network connection to the source control server.
You can't rewrite history, because every commit immediately goes to the server. You can't commit when not online, so you're forced to be on a reliable connection if you want to have small, clean commits. And if the upstream subversion server dies, the history is gone, where with git, every client that clones with the default options has a full copy of the history.
There are other subtleties, but the above are a large part of why got was created for and adopted by Linux kernel maintainers by Linus himself.
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If you say that getting the money
is the most important thing
You will spend your life
completely wasting your time
You will be doing things
you don't like doing
In order to go on living
That is, to go on doing things
you don't like doing
Which is stupid.
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Git is an excellent tool for a very specific use case that 99.9% of projects don’t fall into. It’s great if you have a massive source base with many geographically dispersed contributors who don’t always have reliable Internet connectivity. Vastly overcomplicated, IMO for anything else.
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Whenever I want to use source-control, I use my SVN that is installed on my own server.
However, I have used it with production projects in the past and it works just fine for concurrent development and anything else one may need.
Git is Microsoft's replacement where everything is saved online, unless you install Git to a local server. Many don't, so Microsoft gets access to a lot of the source-code that is part of Open Source projects.
I find SVN very straight forward to use, once I figure out the links that I have forgotten. However, Git is a completely new ball of wax that I would rather pass on...
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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Is Git superior to all of those systems that came before it? Maybe, but it doesn't matter. What's important is all of the tooling and devops processes that are now based on Git and the services that have been built around it. That's what makes it essential for most software/IT shops these days. A few years ago I made a tutorial for our users who had the same question as you...what is this and why should I care?
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Greetings,
I have to say it ...
Its time to Git goin.... 
Cegarman
document code? If it's not intuitive, you're in the wrong field 
Welcome to my Chaos and Confusion!
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I've had the same thought for awhile now. I loved SVN and sometimes even went as far as copying the server's SVN folder to recreate the history & branches anywhere else in case I needed to. It was quite elegant otherwise (and being a developer of traditional closed-source commercial software it was just perfect).
I did everything in command line then and I still do with GIT, but man that thing can lead you to headaches (that most of the time can only be resolved via command line).
Probably GIT's only two advantages are:
1.- It's harder to f*** up when you forget to push and you get lost in your thousands of commits. You just git clone somewhere else and start comparing copies in the worst case scenario.
2.- I don't have to cron a backup of the server side SVN repository to backup the entire history & branches...git clone is precisely that.
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The point of GIT, and what it's trying to solve basically boils down to this:
1) The repository lives on your local OS file system. What that offers is a way to version control anything you want (more on text vs. binary ahead), and can sneaker net the entire repository with the copy command without losing version information of changes! All of the deltas and history are all contained in a nice neat folder named .git.
2) You can also (instead of sneaker net) host the source code on a remote server, which allows anyone with the necessary privileges to pull or commit changes.
3) You can apply filters on what files are committed (checked-in for SVN/SourceSafe users) using the .gitignore file. This text file lets you filter out compiler files (e.g. .objs) and auto-generated files (e.g. files that change by the build process and cannot/should not be modified).
4) The real power comes in with the versioning. Every commit from the first repository creation is demarcated with a SHA. Git SHAs are unique identifiers for commits, files, and other objects in a Git repository.
5) What can you do with SHAs? You can branch off of anywhere to create a separate set of commits unique to that branch. Example: You might want to branch at a project release point, so that development can continue while changes are frozen.
Here is where real power lies. Devs have the ability to continue to make commits to the branch (e.g. a QA branch when devs get feedback on bugs to make fixes), while development continues along the main line. When the QA branch is blessed and has all of the fixes necessary to promote to release, the changes can be merged back into the main line. While most of that can be automated, some user interaction might (often will) be necessary to resolve conflicts.
6) In projects of 2 or more devs, typically there are multiple concurrent branches. Example: Development, QA and Release. Depending on the shop, some choose to branch to make a latest QA, some merge the latest dev line into a separate QA line. There are variations on the theme, but the takeaway is that you can make Git adapt to your dev culture, and not the other way around.
7) Lastly, there are "stupid Git tricks" that can make life easier (and more complicated, depending on your perspective). Example: One can Rebase to get to a "clean" state. A rebase will simply drop merge commits from the todo list, and put the rebased commits into a single, linear branch. Rebase, along with Merge, are just Git commands that specialize in integrating changes.
8) There are many 3rd party utilities for integrating with Git. You mention Visual Studio as one example, but there are many GUI interfaces (e.g. SourceTree) as well as command line (e.g. Tortoise Git). The beauty of Git is that, once again, devs aren't locked into using only one Git tool... you can choose the GUI you like, or drop down to the command line. The changes, commits and pulls still behave the same.
9) Git is typically used to provide revision control on text files, but can be used on binary files as well. Once could imagine a watermark or binary file where the actual bytes matter. You would then want to revision down to the byte level.
Git is a relatively straight forward tool for revision control management that is deployed across many OS platforms to provide uniformity. You only need to learn Git once -- you then know how it works on Windows, Linux and the MAC (or any other OS/machine environment that supports it).
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Hi All,
Got a telling off for working on prototypes at my desk (you have one small explosion, which doesn't even set the fire alarm off) and you get sent to Elba or in my case a desk on the other side of the room! 
Well at least I am now not overlooked by seniors! Pluses and Negatives...
modified 13-Feb-24 9:55am.
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I started it a while back, but I couldn't progress well. I could find out the logic and I had the bad luck of finding mostly morons that didn't like new players.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Could be worse, could be the basement.
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On a team one time that was in the basement. Very large room and my team was the only ones down there.
Then the renovations on the other part of the room started.
Jack hammer for a week didn't bother me.
But then they started up with the nail guns. I ended up going home after a couple of hours of that.
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I hear Elba is nice this time of year.
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explosion?
no video then it didn't happen! 
true story - I worked at a USAF electronic warfare facility back in the 80s. One contractor there tossed in a bag of popcorn into the microwave and hit the wrong time button. Back then, the microwaves were HIGH power. So when the bag caught fire, triggered the smoke alarms, etc. Two buildings (800+ people) had to be evacuated, the base fire department came in, MPs were securing the facility, etc.
The Colonel was NOT pleased.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Makes a loud SNAP followed by smoke & swear words seem mild...
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That happened last year in an hospital in near me because someone put a small "brötchen" (round small piece of bread) in the microwave, set the wrong time for it and went out of the room... 
The hospital manager was not pleased as well, at all.
Luckily in that wing there were no severe patients and everyone was able to move by themselves.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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Back in the prehistoric days when I worked at EMI ('79-80) one of the team I was attached to used to experiment with connecting electronic components across the mains and seeing how spectacular a demise he could elicit. Metal can transistors were quite pretty, giving a small volcano effect as they boiled, rupturing the can as sparks flew out of the hole, but for sheer impact large, low voltage (12-35V) electrolytic capacitors took some beating. Big bang and a cloud of vile smoke which would drift through the facility, which was a typical 30-40's era factory, composed of individual "lab/workshops" which had no ceiling of their own, so really just solid dividers open to the glass roof.
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Officer, officer... I don't know what it is happening with the people... they must all have gone nuts, they are all driving on the wrong line.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Must be done to divert the attention of the police from other criminal activities ... 
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