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Many apologies. I didn't realize at the time that my post would amount to trolling the forum.
I retract my statement and beg your pardon.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
modified 11-Feb-24 18:50pm.
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Who might that be Richard ?
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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The Elbonians! They're a tricky, deceitful bunch!
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants"
Chuckles the clown
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Or the Kneecapians, I hear they're just as bad!
"Ten men in the country could buy the world and ten million can’t buy enough to eat." Will Rogers
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One threat to our network communications is any 10 cent crew with a back hoe.
Next threat - management allowing projects to use libraries and OS builds off the internet (remember the great doorbell DNS attack?).
I could go on. The real threat is the simple lack of commonsense.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: One threat to our network communications is any 10 cent crew with a back hoe.
This has happened a number of times over the last couple of years, and Bell Canada's so unresponsive I switched to Rogers residential internet over 5G. No cable to worry about getting cut. Bliss. I went into the nasty details a few weeks ago here on the lounge.
It's one thing to have the cable replaced, but every single time, the guy who replaced it insisted burying it was not his job...he just ran the cable across my neighbor's gravel driveway, which means my neighbor drove over it at least twice a day, and was very likely to snag it with his snowblower any time it snowed.
And of course Bell won't bury a cable if the ground's frozen. What am I supposed to do, get the cable replaced 8 times over the course of one winter? I'm working from home, no internet means I can't work. No thanks, Bell, I found a solution, and not only does it NOT involve you, it gets you out of the picture altogether.
It's pricier, but it eliminates one type of possible problem altogether. Of course wireless isn't without its own unique types of problems, but aside from some initial setup issues, it hasn't gone down since (touch wood), and it's been roughly a month now.
In all fairness, I'll grant Bell this much, as long as the cable was physically okay, I hardly ever got any connectivity disruption.
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I actually saw this in my neighborhood years ago, but it was Comcast/Xfinity/Whatever. Hilarious.
A few years ago, I wanted ATT fiber - the "guy" - I don't even know if he was with ATT - did not want to run the cable properly... good bye.
Tried tmobile 5g - worked GREAT when no one was on their phone. Fired.
Went back to ATT, the installer called me and I explained - the installation will be done to my standards. He agreed, I helped him, I'm not looking back. The line is buried, the fiber comes in correctly to my crawlspace, up the wall and into a closet. I tipped him $100.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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One of the guys who did come and bury the cable one time wasn't saying it directly in those words, but what he was alluding to is that because my neighborhood is "scheduled" for a fiber optic upgrade (eventually), Bell isn't interested in investing the money to "properly" bury phone cables in the meantime.
Problem is, being "scheduled" for the upgrade could mean in 2 weeks just like it could mean "at some time over the next 12 years". I'm just outside of the nearest city (if you wanna call it that), so I know I'm not a priority.
Besides, as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing magical about a fiber optic cable that will prevent a backhoe from snagging it any more than any other type of cable. All backhoe drivers who cut my line over the last 2-3 years have all said the same thing: Bell's supposed to come over and mark where their cables are, but they never do. I certainly sympathize with these guys - if Bell hasn't done what they're supposed to, the backhoe drivers are not going to put their work on hold until Bell shows up - because they never do.
Rogers certainly has its own horror stories. But like I said, at least without any wire coming into the house, that's one type of problem eliminated.
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to be pedantic, my backhoe comment related to internet outages in general 
the rest of it was me blabbing.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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S'all good, man.
I'm more than capable of blabbing myself, especially when I feel like I need to get something off my chest.
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IMHO, the elder generation is less dependent on technology than the younger one, those born after 2000.
Most of us, elders, got introduced to technology at some stage in our life (before which there was just paper, pen, slate, chalk, books, etc.), whereas they are 'born' in technology.
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I was the TV remote control. "Hey you, turn on channel 2"
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people.
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I'm definitely older generation - started programming 50 years ago - and definitely miss it when our home network connection is down...
I have 14 active Echo devices in the house plus 15 smart switches (mostly controlling lights). I can't remember the last time I listened to radio or music on a proper radio or stereo system, and it was really annoying a couple of months ago to have to actually switch lights off before going to bed, instead of just saying "Alexa, turn the downstairs lights off" as I walk upstairs!
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Dear oh dear
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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If the NSA/GCHQ/whoever want to listen to me yelling at the cats to get off the worktops, they're welcome! 
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I meant, you found it a chore to manually turn your lights off that is sad IMHO
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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As I get older, I find it painful to deal with stairs. If I'm more than halfway up or down the first flight of stairs, any lights I left on are just going to stay on until the next time I'm up or down there again. I will not be making a special trip just to turn off a light that might cost me all of 2 cents in the meantime. I've been thinking about upgrading to Alexa-enabled switches and outlets, but so far laziness and cheapness are winning.
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I didn’t think of that - very useful for you
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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It's more for the convenience than laziness.
For example, I have 6 monitors on my desk each with a power switch on the bottom edge of the screen; the power strip is down the back of the desk an inconvenient to get to. But I can just turn them all on by saying "ALexa, turn the monitors on."
Another example, we have several lamps round the living room to give ambient lighting. A couple have switches up under the shades; two have in-line switches that trail down onto the floor at the sides of the sofa. The power points for all are behind chairs etc. But again, I can turn them all off with a single verbal command.
I recall that many US houses have their lighting sockets connected to a wall switch, but UK houses aren't wired that way and I don't fancy leaning over both ends of the sofa to switch lights off every night!
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StarNamer@work wrote: I listened to radio or music on a proper radio or stereo system,
My equipment like that is in the original boxes. Which serve as a decent table for small odds and ends.
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I've been out of internet (and thus tv) for almost a week now because som id10t ran over the post and pulled down the cable.
Ready to kill somebody by now if they don't fix it today. 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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And here I was, thinking you were going to talk about DLL hell and nuget packages 
Happiness will never come to those who fail to appreciate what they already have. -Anon
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. -Frederick Nietzsche
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I agree with the dependency issues. My family's and my life would be very different without internet, to say nothing of the withdrawal symptoms my teenage daughter would undergo.
Our internet provider is very reliable, but given the level of potential histrionics, I have both a spare modem and a cell data plan (cell data plans are quite cheap in Israel). I hope that both go unused.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I used to have that problem regularly, Mike. My provider always told me it was my modem. After 4 modems and about $300 in service calls, I got a different provider - no more troubles.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Yeah, they're telling us it's a router problem. You know Roger it's their money. They just put in fiber in the area and I'm thinking there may be a problem with it? They're so screwed up but it's the only deal in town. It's either them or nothin!
"Ten men in the country could buy the world and ten million can’t buy enough to eat." Will Rogers
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