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Do I think YouTube is worthless? No.
Do I think the advertisements are excessive? Yes.
Do I think YouTube is worth paying for? No.
I didn't mind when there was a short ad at the beginning of a clip, or even every few clips in a playlist. I do mind when clips are interrupted for a chain of ads. I will therefore continue to use ad blockers on YouTube until their use becomes too onerous, at which time I will switch off YouTube.
As long as CDs are produced, I can get all the music that I want by purchasing CDs and ripping them - no subscription fees, no "disappearing" clips, and no restrictions on playback (for personal use).
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I pay for YT and I still upvoted this. They sell the premium services as "no ads" and yet I still have to watch ads... just less of them.
Jeremy Falcon
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Heh, how much shelf space have you got? 
Paul Sanders.
If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter - Blaise Pascal.
Some of my best work is in the undo buffer.
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Enough for the CDs that I buy (mostly classical music).
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Heh, he owns a physical copy of the music he loves that he can always listen to, at least a long as the CD lasts. With YouTube, you're at the whim of any number of factors for the music you love. Artist decides to remove their music from YouTube? Gone. Music exec thinks they can make their own YT, gone. etc etc. I honestly would pay for the YouTube service, but I wouldn't get that much value out of it. I watch maybe 10 videos on there a month and the ads are overly obnoxious when I watch something without an ad blocker.
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I do mind when clips are interrupted for a chain of ads
Yeah, me too, that's why I opened my wallet 
Paul Sanders.
If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter - Blaise Pascal.
Some of my best work is in the undo buffer.
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Paul Sanders (the other one) wrote: Yeah, me too, that's why I opened my wallet
From my perspective, that's rewarding someone for annoying you to the point where you just give in.
It's a slippery slope, as it'll only encourage others to do even worse.
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I have ripped copies from youtube of music that is NOT available (any more) on CD. In some cases, I have a (paid for) "hardcopy" of the music, but that vinyl record is so worn and scratched that the sound quality is much better on the youtube rip. As long as the music is available on CD, I, too, prefer to have the real thing, the CD, in my shelves.
That goes for books, too (although not as frequently): Maybe a dozen of the books in my shelves I read before I owned it. I borrowed it from a friend or the public library, read it and decided that I definitely would want to have my own copy of that book for the day I decide it is time to re-read it.
Note that Norwegian law explicitly grants you the right to make copies of copyright protected works, as long as it is for private and non-commercial use only. (There are a few minor restrictions, such as you cannot go to someone else to have them make copies for you.) That is a lot more liberal than in many other countries.
Lots of the music that I taped from radio broadcasts many years ago, I later bought on CD.
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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Paul Sanders (the other one) wrote: Just pay for it, FFS.
I pay for it. I still think it's stupid that paying for "no ads" I still have to watch ads in videos. They'll ban channels for speaking the truth, but not for the double adverts. The greed IMO is too much. YT deserves anything it gets.
Jeremy Falcon
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Wow, thanks for the heads up. I don't (ever) get that, but then again I only ever watch / listen to music videos.
Paul Sanders.
If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter - Blaise Pascal.
Some of my best work is in the undo buffer.
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That's the smart move, it seems. 
For me, I use Apple Music for that.
Jeremy Falcon
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Paul Sanders (the other one) wrote: if you have AdBlock installed by making your CPU sweat
There is evidence that suggests that this specific problem is caused by AdBlocker and not Youtube. The problem only occurs for specific versions of AdBlocker and it occurs on other services besides Youtube also.
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I watch Youtube on my TV (Google). I wouldn't even know how to install an ad blocker.
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Right. I doubt you can, although if you stream from your phone or whatever to a (cheap, cheerful, and excellent) Chromecast then you it's probably possible. (But I didn't tell you that.)
Paul Sanders.
If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter - Blaise Pascal.
Some of my best work is in the undo buffer.
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Fair enough. We had no choice - dumb as [don't tempt me] 'smart' TV
Paul Sanders.
If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter - Blaise Pascal.
Some of my best work is in the undo buffer.
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I regularly keep a small command window open with yt-dlp.exe ready to accept the URL. If my ad blocker fails to stop the ads, I go to the command window, type 'yt-dlp ' and paste the URL. I have fiber connection, so it takes just a few seconds to transfer the clip (if they are not too long), and I can doubleclick the downloaded video for undisturbed viewing. (I often use yl-dlp even when there are no ads, if I might consider archiving the clip.)
The ads I am not watching wouldn't make me buy anything anyway, so noone looses any sale from me suppressing the ads. 95% of them are aimed at the US market, not the Norwegian one; most products aren't even available here. For the rest: My lifestyle is of a different kind; I am not a consumer of the kinds of products typically advertised on internet/TV. So who am I cheating by not watching ads for products that I would never buy anyway?
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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trønderen wrote: ads for products that I would never buy anyway
That's the whole crux of the problem. The concept of advertising -- at least on TV and such -- is ridiculous. Either the viewer already buys the product or they're never going to, so why bother throwing all that money away? The mind boggles. It's odd that every once in a while Youtube will send me the Spanish version of an ad I've already seen a million times.
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So who am I cheating by not watching ads for products that I would never buy anyway?
Nobody 
Paul Sanders.
If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter - Blaise Pascal.
Some of my best work is in the undo buffer.
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+1 for yt-dlp.
For decades the best I could get from my ISP was 5mbps. Not great for streaming video, but YouTube at 720p could juuuuust barely keep up. Assuming absolutely nothing else was going on at the same time over my network.
I now have 25mbps through another ISP...but, they slow you down to 3mbps (worse than I had before!) when they detect you're streaming video. Or so their marketing material claims. I don't stream nearly enough video to say I've noticed. But then maybe I'm not noticing because that's (close to) what I'm accustomed to.
I could've sworn the CRTC (Canada's closest thing to the US's FCC) had slapped that one down a few years ago. Is the whole packet inspection / net neutrality thing still a thing in this day and age? I mean, how else would they know?
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another +1 here for YT-dlp.
I have a share on my main PC that my media server can see.
All I do is yt-dlp the videos I come across during a day that I want to watch, yt-dlp them into this folder, then when I go to bed, I just open my TV's media player and they show up in my media server under "YouTube Queue"
I never used to have a problem with advertising, still don't really, what I have a problem with is the mis-management of advertising, esp with the large media ad networks like google.
Fact of the matter is quite simple. I HAVE NEVER HAD a virus/malware attack or even the sniff of a threat of one since I started network/ad blocking the large ad networks.
When I used to allow all these ad's I regularly used to see pop ups and warnings on a daily basis from my AV software, even while browsing good, friendly sites.
My biggest beef with You-Tube specifically right now however, is how they actually detect the ad-blocker. They don't check to see if it's just them that can't get an advert in, they check for the presence of the blocker as an extension.
I tested several ad-blockers, and whitelisted you-tube in them, and still I got the "ad-blockers are against the Ts&Cs", the only thing that got rid of the messages was to wholesale uninstall every single bit of browser protection I have installed, leaving me fully open to every single ad-network, tracker, data-miner and god knows what else on the internet.
I refuse to do this. I don't just have an ad-blocker because I don't like ad's, I do actually white list quite a few sites, esp the ones who just use simple advertising, like a single image that doesn't move and stays quiet in a side bar, and more specifically is served from your OWN DOMAIN, not some 3rd party mega tracking data mining corp.
I have no desire for a huge creative to jump out of it's sidebar and fling itself open over my entire screen, while it starts pumping out 20 million decibels of shouty shouty narrative, in the middle of my work day, when I'm looking up something to do with the code problem I'm working on, it has the same effect on my mental model as the dreaded "do you have 5 minutes" tap on my shoulder.
Once the ad-networks start getting their house in order, toning things down, ensuring they are not a vector for spreading malware crap, and generally just start being more responsible, then I'll start allowing their ad's again, it's pretty much that simple.
Sorry... yes that did turn into a bit of a rant didn't intend it too.
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Just a bit
Paul Sanders.
If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter - Blaise Pascal.
Some of my best work is in the undo buffer.
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I do this as well. It also allows me to control the sound quality better for podcasts.
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And right there at the top... "YouTube Premium members also appear to be impacted."
Seems you're paying to still get screwed 
I'm not going to pay for YouTube because I don't use it often enough.
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Curiously, I am not (impacted). Not yest, anyway, but if I am I shall reconsider.
Paul Sanders.
If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter - Blaise Pascal.
Some of my best work is in the undo buffer.
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