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"Googling suggests there are states that do not require that. With new houses requiring much tighter air exchange rates not sure that would be a good idea."
I suspect there is engineering truth here. The over regulation of our lives is getting absurd. I'll just open a f'ing window.... meanwhile, would you like some fried snapper cooked on my gas stove with hush puppies?
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: The over regulation of our lives is getting absurd
People would like to claim that people will do good given the chance so regulation is not needed.
But that ignores stupidity and selfish behavior not on a large scale but just a small scale. So for example they don't own a nuclear weapon but they think it is ok to shoot their gun into the air for whatever holiday is going on. Which is an example of both selfishness and stupidity.
Penn points out how this works for libertarianism...
Penn Jillette on why his views on libertarianism have changed - YouTube[^]
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oh for fs. We are talking appliances in kitchens not shooting weapons in the air. You are normally sharper than this.
Here are idiots shooting their guns in the air: Celebratory gunfire at Arab weddings - YouTube[^]
Here is my gas range: Redirect Notice[^]
I'm fairly certain about the only thing you are going to get from my gas range is an excellent steak.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I quoted what I was responding to...
"The over regulation of our lives is getting absurd."
If you meant that only to apply to building kitchens then it was not clear.
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I've only seen one place without an exterior vent outlet, and that was my apartment in 1980 or so; even my parents' house - purchased in 1955 - had a real vent. But even so, I've recently discovered that they do no good. I purchased a HEPA filter for filtering the whole house recently, and it's equipped with a display showing the current "cleanliness" of the air. Most of the time it maintains it at 100%, but when I try to fry up some crispy strips of dead pig, within seconds it drops to 7% or less, with the exhaust fan running! Once I'm done cooking it recovers in about 20 minutes of breathing heavy. From that I draw two conclusions: 1) a good filter in the house is an excellent investment and, 2) kitchen exhaust fans are worthless, even if they're vented outside.
Will Rogers never met me.
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True story... Where I am staying presently has a vent hood over the stove. I cackled when I realized why every time I cook bacon I set off the smoke alarm.
It doesn't vent to anywhere at all.
It blows the air it sucks up at an angle directly above your head.
If I were a six inches taller it would literally be sucking all the air up over the stove and blowing it directly in my face.
I really don't know what's normal, but I've never been in family/friend kitchens which did not duct the stove vent at least into the attic if not out of the house.
They say smoke kills people (versus fires) so I wonder if a nice strong vent like that might not be lifesaving. You could wire it into a smoke alarm so that it automatically kicks on. I've never heard of this and I don't know why.
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exactly
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Here in New Zealand 'rangehoods' (the extractor/vent fans) are very common. I wouldn't say everybody has them, but most people do. Those that don't often have a broken one they haven't bothered to repair. Those would all be exterior venting systems as far as I know, I've never heard of a filter/vent internally one.
They aren't perfect, you can overwhelm them (and still need to open doors/windows), but they definitely vent a lot, and for gentle cooking often mean you can leave the house shut up if you need to.
We had an electric hob in our previous house (also very common here, probably the most common type), but gas in our current place. Induction is becoming quite trendy, and common among new builds/wealthy people.
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Also in NZ.
The current house (1959) has a range hood vented to the outside, but I can see from marks on the outside wall that it previously had a simple extractor fan (vents outside but no hood to collect the smells/steam from over the stove top).
Our previous house (1922) had an extractor straight into the roof cavity, needless to say that was replaced along with removing half a ton of congealed fat that had collect there over the decades.
In apartments I have seen the recirculation type fans quite often. You need to clean and/or replace the charcoal filters on a regular basis or all they push bad air around.
As for cooking here, while we (wife and I) love a gas hob, they are becoming much rarer. Both mains and bottled gas are being phased out as being environmentally damaging. We still have gas for a BBQ, but much prefer a charcoal one dur to its inherent smokiness.
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you can overwhelm them. The house I grew up in had a real range vent - meaning it sucked up air over the range and sent it up over the roof. As a kid, I didn't think anything about this I just thought duh, nss. Then I grew up and lived in apartments, rental houses, houses I bought, and all of them came with the stupid as **** filter vents. Just why bother?
Then I grew up. So a few months after the kitchen renovation is done, I'm working in my yard and smelling wonderful cooking from somewhere, maybe my neighbor? Nope, I'm where the range vent vents and I'm smelling my wife's cooking. After face palming myself I had to laugh. Growing up, my entire neighborhood had real vents... so depending where you walked you knew what family was cooking.  good times.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I just saw on one of my state's official websites:
Computer Programmers -- Convert project specifications and statements of problems and procedures to detailed logical flow charts for coding into computer language.
(Emphasis mine.)
Glad I'm a Software Developer rather than one of those.
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Yeah, but just think if they did still teach that. How to think and approach a problem is more useful than "use this or that framework". I used to have a template for drawing the things.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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I agree. I'm glad that when I took my first programming class (BASIC in 1983) we had to submit flow charts.
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From the point of view of an amateur, flow charts are a good thing. They emphasize the logic of how to solve the problem. OOPS emphasizes the bureaucratic details of instantiating objects, constructor functions, templates and dependencies. 60's music was better, too.
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Andy Allinger wrote: 60's music was better
Continues to be better. Anything up to about 1990.
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Good music continues to be made. You might have to look for it. Look through KEXP's playlists - you will likely find something you like: https://www.youtube.com/@kexp
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Go with the flow man.
As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness".
PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.3.0 JaxCoder.com
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I make flow charts for the code I write for the OpenComputers Minecraft mod. Makes it easier to implement.
I also make flow charts for all the various processing stuff I have to set up to figure out what I need and how to lay it out.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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I smell money
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Amusing, but as others already mentioned it can useful for learning purposes.
This looks interesting:
Flowgorithm is a free beginner's programming language that is based on simple graphical flowcharts.
Flowgorithm - Flowchart Programming Language[^]
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: state's official websites:
Did you consider that they might be using COBOL.
And not Object COBOL but actual COBOL.
Quite a few years ago I had to extensively modify an older C application and realized I could no longer even think in structured programming. I had to use a model that allowed me to simulate OO via C. A junior programmer thought that was cool and I didn't explain it was just a hack so I could implement it.
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Cats "love" laser pointers. My cat knows where the light comes from; he gets all excited when he sees me pick up the pointer; yet he still chases the light.
I can run the pointer "under a door", and he'll sit in front of the door ... waiting. If he then sees the pointer in my hand, he'll give me a stink eye.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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As a signature block I once saw read:
I've known many Zen masters in my life; most of them were cats.
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Does he close his eyes slightly to give you the stink eye?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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