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Steve Naidamast wrote: a crappy language if there ever was one
You need to get out more?
There are a vast number of languages. Many of them very annoying.
The 'standard' for SQL comes to mind. SQL, as per the standard, is not even Turing complete. But actual implementations are.
The successful ones always have stuff bolted on. That is the nature of progress.
But consider one of the odd ball ones that I was reminded of recently is 'Erlang'. Doesn't even rate a percentage in Tiobe index. Yet I just found out that someone decided to build another language (Elixir) on top of that one. And someone decided to build an entire business around the usage of that (which is why I even heard of it.)
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I have done a ton of JavaScript in my very long career...
I never liked it and never will...
JavaScript was never designed for what it is being used for now. And the only reason people use it is because it is free and is part of the inherent infrastructure of web applications.
This still doesn't mean that it is good language due to its popularity.
And languages that continually have things "bolted" on them become bloated and sometimes even unusable. This pushes developers to find cleaner languages...
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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Steve Naidamast wrote: This still doesn't mean that it is good language due to its popularity.
So what is the alternative that is good?
Steve Naidamast wrote: And languages that continually have things "bolted" on them become bloated and sometimes even unusable.
Unusable? I haven't seen that.
Steve Naidamast wrote: This pushes developers to find cleaner languages
Never seen anyone claim that.
Certainly seen people choose tech stacks because they liked it.
Certainly seen people use another language just because they wanted to.
Certainly seen people use another tech because they could not figure out how to use the existing tech.
Seen a tech stack used because the owners son recommended switching.
I have only seen one objective decision made about a tech stack and that was a business, not technical, reason. That was because the company that owned the tech stack gave the target company (as a startup) quite a bit of money.
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Why do you think C# has become so popular when compared to Java?
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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Because Microsoft pushed it?
Because the addons have made it more useful in a general sense?
Because Microsoft in various ways provides money to companies that use its products? (I have seen this myself.)
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Because of Visual Studio.
Without VS, the number of problem solutions under Windows would have been a small fraction of what it is.
That would have reduced the number of customers finding Windows a viable platform to a fraction.
Which would have reduced MS to a fraction of what it is.
Developing VS and letting individual developers and small businesses use it for free is the best investment MS ever did.
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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trΓΈnderen wrote: Because of Visual Studio.
Really good point.
I have used various IDEs over the years and VS beats all of them. So much so that for C# I use it all the time but for Java I almost never use an IDE.
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honey the codewitch wrote: it's not just for web front ends anymore. JS is an almost virulent technology these days. It needs to be
That is only people carrying around their golden hammer. It's nothing to do with it being "good" or "suited" and they do not care. It's being what web people know and by virtue of the explosion of the internet, web people putting up the numbers.
Except it was always and only ever will be a lead hammer which we never really should've created to begin with.
It's been literally a tyranny of the majority sort of situation now for many years where we must all agree to scratch our itches with angle grinders as a matter of populism.
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As I've come to use it I can't help but agree with you.
This is hours of my life I can't get back.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Any language in which you can write working software is a real programming language. Each and every has its limitations. Although JS is being used in way too many situations, for which it was not well designed. I always thought that it should have been deprecated around 2007 for something more well designed or at least limited to client side basic UI code.
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I'm not sure I could define a "real" programming language, but if I could, JS would fail to meet the definition.
Not declaring variables coupled with case-sensitivity was enough for me to loathe the stuff.
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Javascript is filth. I thought everyone knew this. It's because the Document Object Model is filth: you have to have filth in order to process it. The two things together represent the decline of programming as a skill.
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JavaScript is execrable. Node.js is execrable. TypeScript is execrable. Electron is execrable. Programmers must avoid JavaScript. JavaScript is like a cancer.
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I read your message in the daily insider and kept it for after my vacation.
I'm still on vacation, but I'm at my computer for a moment.
Way too long ago (2016-2017), I wrote a LINQ library in JavaScript.
The one thing I really couldn't copy was the dictionary because of a lack of hashes.
Here's how I worked around it (it's not a true dictionary anymore, but as far as usage go it's the same as C#): Arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript[^]
Probably not very useful for your use case, but you might find it interesting.
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And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. -Frederick Nietzsche
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Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
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I understand that a few people here may play Wordle. 
If so, what's your longest winning streak?
I've heard of people in the 600s (and there's at least one professional liar politician that insists she's never lost), but I've never met any.
TTFN - Kent
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I play most every day (anonymously) and have never lost. But Iβve only played for a couple months so not a big accomplishment.
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I really enjoy Wordle. I do hope the inventor / creator made a bundle with it. He does deserve it!
But regarding the winning streak: The news is not good. I run CCleaner at least once a day, usually in the morning just after Wordle. This gets rid of the cookie that is needed to preserve my Wordle score for that day. So my streak is always for one game! 
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
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But itβs a solid one 
TTFN - Kent
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