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GuyThiebaut wrote: That's the Dunning Kruger effect[^]
Most people who know about this effect know that is is associated with people who have a bit of knowledge/experience incorrectly thinking that they know a lot, the converse is also part of this effect in that those who know a lot assume that others know/understand a lot on a particular area too.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is also correlated to scores on IQ tests.
Lack of education, or should I say willful ignorance, seems to be consistently accompanied by audacious arrogance. Some people are convinced they have knowledge and understanding far beyond that of anyone who has earned a doctorate from MIT.
Several of my family members are evangelical Christians. They scoff at education. They believe whatever their church pastor says -- no matter how nonsensical it is -- to be the absolute truth. Any time one of these family members visits a medical doctor, they return home and preach to anyone within hearing distance about how "doctors don't know anything" in addition to all sorts of other verbal lambasting.
They dictate that medical science is the work of the devil, vaccination is a conspiracy, fluoride is poisonous, pharmaceutical companies are sinister, baseless natural "cures" eliminate incurable diseases, and the list goes on...
Each time, I ask these people the same question. Why would you suppose that any person who has studied medicine for 7+ years irrefutably knows nothing? Does medical school unconditionally rob all of its graduates of knowledge in science and medicine? If that's the case, then it must mean that to be a good doctor, one must have completed as little education as possible.
Only the people who are thoroughly indoctrinated by religion and entirely brainwashed by the church believe they are the authority on truth. When the conversation inevitably turns to statements such as "I learned on Youtube", or "The people at church say...", I realize that all hope is lost and I walk away.
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Steve Raw wrote: Lack of education, or should I say willful ignorance, seems to be consistently accompanied by audacious arrogance. Some people are convinced they have knowledge and understanding far beyond that of anyone who has earned a doctorate from MIT.
Studies have demonstrated that lack of education is probably not a factor in that. Magazines of 'Skeptic' and 'Skeptical Inquirer' have published numerous articles of studies that attempt to demonstrate correlations. Those will little education seems somewhat more resistant to wild claims.
As an example affluent educated people also have their own beliefs about vaccines being dangerous.
Steve Raw wrote: Only the people who are thoroughly indoctrinated by religion and entirely brainwashed by the church believe they are the authority on truth
That is a generalization.
There does seem to be some correlation between mystical beliefs of any kind and more acceptance of conspiracy theories. But not necessarily a specific conspiracy theory. Whether that leads to anything else has not been shown.
Steve Raw wrote: Each time, I ask these people the same question.
There are now numerous studies that show that attempting to prove or worse belittle others beliefs not only does not change their view but rather increases their belief.
The best process seems to be to accept their views, which means understanding them, then talking them through to a point where those views provide a contradiction that those people themselves recognize. So you can't just point it out. Rather you must lead them to discover it themselves.
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jschell wrote: That is a generalization.
LOL. Okay, you got me there. Sweeping generalizations are a thought fallacy.
While that statement may not be entirely true, it can't be discounted as false. As for my experience, having grown up attending church and private Christian school, I cannot deny what I have experienced.
jschell wrote: Studies have demonstrated that lack of education is probably not a factor in that. Magazines of 'Skeptic' and 'Skeptical Inquirer' have published numerous articles of studies that attempt to demonstrate correlations. Those will little education seems somewhat more resistant to wild claims.
I've never heard of such studies. I'm not familiar with those magazines. Studies that confirm what I'm saying here provide strong evidence to support my argument. What's the evidence for the counterargument?
jschell wrote: There are now numerous studies that show that attempting to prove or worse belittle others beliefs not only does not change their view but rather increases their belief.
Exactly. But, here's the thing. I'm belittled by them. It's that moral superiority complex that makes them so condescending. I can't argue otherwise.
jschell wrote: The best process seems to be to accept their views, which means understanding them, then talking them through to a point where those views provide a contradiction that those people themselves recognize. So you can't just point it out. Rather you must lead them to discover it themselves.
That may work in many cases. I can't speak for others, but in my family, I've done my best to acknowledge their beliefs and did just as you said. Long ago, I learned how they weaponize religion to gain as much power and control over others as possible. When they have power, they abuse it. Just because someone is Christian, that doesn't necessarily mean they are good people. Some of the most malicious people I've ever known attend church regularly, read their bible, and do an excellent job fooling the world with the facade they create to hide their true nature. Some of my family members serve as excellent examples for this.
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Steve Raw wrote: Some of my family members serve as excellent examples for this.
However my response had nothing to do with family dynamics nor individuals.
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Somehow people talk to me, telling me all sorts of things that are important to them. Maybe because I listen.
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Kindness
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If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter - Blaise Pascal.
Some of my best work is in the undo buffer.
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Hmm, it's multiple, all related to building and fixing things. It's a curse, too, because I somehow can't get out of the rut/feeling that I should/must? repair and build EVERYTHING that breaks or that I want/need in life.
That is, I basically have not, in my half a century+ of life, ever called a plumber, electrician, auto mechanic*, appliance/lawn & garden/heavy equipment mechanic. . .or for any home improvements. 
*there were 2 times where I had some more time consuming major repairs needed to a vehicle but had no indoor location in the winter months to work on it and/or it was when I had small children/family + full time job where I just didn't have the time to tackle it myself.
So yeah, I guess this would entail the skills in woodworking, construction (excavation/concrete/framing/siding/roofing/wiring/tiling), welding, small and large engine mechanics, some electronics.
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Kent K wrote: Hmm, it's multiple, all related to building and fixing things. It's a curse, too, because I somehow can't get out of the rut/feeling that I should/must? repair and build EVERYTHING that breaks or that I want/need in life.
That is, I basically have not, in my half a century+ of life, ever called a plumber, electrician, auto mechanic*, appliance/lawn & garden/heavy equipment mechanic. . .or for any home improvements. 
That's a great set of skills to have. I'm not just referring to building or fixing things, but I'm referring to any mechanical system. Air compressors, phones, power tools, cars, and various other things.
As time progresses, technology advances and I've come to find that it gets more difficult to repair these things on your own. Taking something apart is easy, but knowing how to reassemble the item after repairing it requires more and more obscure tools, as well as sophisticated knowledge. I'm glad we have YouTube, because the knowledge needed to repair more advanced systems can't be done without it. I used to be able to do this stuff through basic mechanical skills, and intuition.
The one exception where I have failed (epically failed) is in fixing the rotating control knob on an old clothes dryer. Sounds simple enough, right? Ha! Nope. After taking it apart, I was glad to see that I could go about repairing it without dealing with any electronics. Little did I know that the nested arrays of metal pins allowing the knob to operate the functions of the clothes dryer were extremely complex. I gave it a try, but soon realized I needed a trained technician with the proper tools to do the job.
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> Quote: In
what other areas do you have knowledge or experience with? What are they, and how do you use them?
The thing that made a colleague go "Woah - how did you do that?" was when his car broke down in the company parking lot with a snapped clutch cable, and I drove it all the way to his home without once needing the clutch[1] even though I worked it through all five gears, both changing up and changing down.
[1] Stalled at every stop, started with a jerk after every stop.
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Ahh, floating the gears. Nice. I used to do that on my old 80s something mazda pickup, for fun sometimes (only after using the clutch to smoothly start moving).
Nowadays the only need for that technique is in my dump truck where that is required (again, after using the clutch to get moving) since heavy truck manual transmissions don't have synchronizers - so it's either floating them or double clutching, with the latter too much hassle).
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Just saw this thread now.
For me, they seem to be:
Ability to explain things in simple language, of course, in my native Kannada language. For example, i recently mentored a girl in middle school, who was getting about 50 percent score in her elementary maths, and now she is consistently scoring more than 90 percent. All in a three month period.
Motivating others. For example, I recently motivated an Indian student studying for his Master's in the US, and he successfully completed his first semester.
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Amarnath S wrote: For example, i recently mentored a girl in middle school, who was getting about 50 percent score in her elementary maths, and now she is consistently scoring more than 90 percent. All in a three month period.
Motivating others. For example, I recently motivated an Indian student studying for his Master's in the US, and he successfully completed his first semester.
I think your efforts to educate and motivate others are admirable. You're making the world a better place for everyone. 
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Me: "Father, last night I had sex with George Clooney."
Priest: "When was the last time you made a confession?"
Me: "I'm not Catholic, I’m an atheist."
Priest: "Then why are telling me this?"
Me: "Are you kidding? I’m telling everybody."
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Me: Father last night I had sex with a woman of a loose nature.
Father: Was it Rosemary O'Leary?
Me: No father.
Father: Was it Patricia McNab?
Me: No father.
Father: Was it Mary Smith?
Me: No father.
Father: Well say 10 Hail Marys and come to mass on Sunday.
On leaving I met a friend and he asked me; Well how did it go, what was your punishment?
Me: No too bad 10 Hail Mary's, but I got 3 names.
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I got a new computer a few months ago with Win 11. I've always had File Manager set to 'expand to current folder' because it was helpful for things like dragging folders out of zip files into a parent - that sort of thing. I'd noticed that it didn't work in Win 11, although I'd remembered it working in 10. Did a search and found that you can 'Ctrl-Shift-E' to expand to current folder. It works. So MS now disregards the 'Expand to current folder' setting in the options. 
By 'not working' I mean that if you click on 'Documents' in the 'pinned' or 'recently used' folders, or whatever section of Explorer that is, and then drill down into those directories in the right-hand pane, the folders aren't expanded in the left. If you go down to 'This PC', 'Local Disk...' and continue drilling down there, it works. I don't remember this limitation in Win10.
So now have to remember another keyboard shortcut - get too many of them to remember - that's why I used the 'options' setting.
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