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Andre Oosthuizen1-Dec-23 22:50

1-Dec-23 22:50

Scary to say the least, our own president was accused of giving an AI generated speech recently, I mean seriously!!! -
Did robots write Ramaphosa’s speech?[^]

charlieg2-Dec-23 1:18

charlieg

2-Dec-23 1:18

I'm not sure how that is "scary." And I am not defending AI just trying to maintain a point about perspective. How is this different than having a team of speech writers generate the speech?

This is going on in colleges and universities across the world. My real concern is that having to do research, organize your thoughts, express it in an intelligent fashion, actually learn to think is being killed off by internet resources be they AI or websites that offer papers.

There is very real combat going on in this area (reminds me of my electronic warfare days). First the sites appeared where you can buy papers. Then sites appeared where you can feed in papers to see if they were plagiarized. Now we have sites that re-work papers so they aren't detected as being plagiarized. Meanwhile, more idiots graduate from college, because education is not the point.

Charlie Gilley

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

Has never been more appropriate.

Andre Oosthuizen2-Dec-23 1:24

2-Dec-23 1:24

I agree, the system is churning out more idiots than ever to many others detriment. The scary part comes in (look at the link) where statements were made that is false, the bearer however believes these as fact which in turn make others believe it to be true, he is the president after all...

Daniel Pfeffer2-Dec-23 6:34

Daniel Pfeffer

2-Dec-23 6:34

Where politicians (any politicians) are concerned, I reverse the presumptions of sapience, sentience, and innocence. Replacing them with cabbages would, in most cases, be an improvement.

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.

jschell4-Dec-23 4:28

jschell

4-Dec-23 4:28

charlieg wrote:
Meanwhile, more idiots graduate from college, because education is not the point.

Because, say 50 years ago, it was?

Even excluding degree inflation?

I remember spending 45 minutes of a 50 minute mathematics class that I (not my parents) was paying for listening to a professor yell about how the library wasn't getting enough money to buy books.

Then there was the TA, the one 'teaching' a different class, who I had to show how to solve the problem.

Not to mention of course that I realized half way through my electrical engineering degree that when I graduated that I would not be able to actually create an electrical circuit that would even work in the real world.

But at least I would know what an 'ideal' refrigerator was. (Certainly no information about how a real refrigerator worked.)

charlieg4-Dec-23 8:19

charlieg

4-Dec-23 8:19

My comment was general in nature. "Back when I was in college" Smile | :)

I found papers difficult to organize, write and present. It was hard work, but I learned. If you are using AI to generate papers, you aren't learning and that is a problem.

But yeah, I understand the TA comment. You get out of school what you put into it.

Charlie Gilley

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

Has never been more appropriate.

Gerry Schmitz2-Dec-23 7:43

Gerry Schmitz

2-Dec-23 7:43

It's like a contract. There are all kinds of contracts. Everything is up for negotiation. You find someone else's paperwork, then modify ("chat") it until it's "just right".

I always though the (my) hand, keyboard and brain connection was too slow ... I may achieve enlightenment yet.

"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

to read or not to read ... definitely NOT to read AI generated "responses"...

jschell4-Dec-23 4:30

jschell

4-Dec-23 4:30

I don't see much difference in that and politicians putting up bills that were completely written by special interest groups, with no changes at all, and the politicians attempt to pass it off as their own work.

And of course tell no one that it came from the special interest group.

Salvatore Terress3-Dec-23 20:38

Salvatore Terress

3-Dec-23 20:38

Long time ago I have quit responding to insulting or off the subjects posts / replies...
As they often say old western movies - that is my opinion and MY BUSINESS...

I am at a dilemma in responding to helpful replies...
After I responded, thanking for the help , I have received
private message - instructing me how to modify my profile to gain "gold stars " "privileges"...
I did not read the message in details - but it suggested to add my ZIP code to my profile ...

I am tempted to reply and ask if they need my shoe size...

Richard MacCutchan1-Dec-23 22:30

Richard MacCutchan

1-Dec-23 22:30

That sounds like a spammer has got to you. I doubt any proper member here would make such a suggestion. If it is a known member then I suggest you report them privately to Sean or Chris.

Andre Oosthuizen1-Dec-23 22:54

1-Dec-23 22:54

Yip, as stated, probably a spammer or a senior member as only gold and above to certain members will allow them to access the 'private message' module.

Your help on the site is obviously appreciated as we all spend our own private time in enhancing the site, teaching and also learning from other members, keep it up!

Richard Andrew x643-Dec-23 3:36

Richard Andrew x64

3-Dec-23 3:36

Andre Oosthuizen wrote:
Your help on the site is obviously appreciated as we all spend our own private time in enhancing the site, teaching and also learning from other members, keep it up!

You just accused this guy of being a help vampire. Which comment do you mean?

The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.

Andre Oosthuizen3-Dec-23 6:48

3-Dec-23 6:48

Nope, I warned that he is leaning towards becoming one, not that he is. I meant what I said in both posts Richard, the idea was not to step on toes, if you look at the members history then I am not incorrect in my assumption, he does need to show more effort when asking his questions. Smile | :)

englebart3-Dec-23 4:39

englebart

3-Dec-23 4:39

There is a site I use that keeps asking for my birthday; I have not even given my fake birthday yet!

I always receive a few messages from friends on my fake birthday!

Salvatore Terress3-Dec-23 8:36

Salvatore Terress

3-Dec-23 8:36

just to be nice
HAPPY FAKE BIRTHDAY...
hope you are of drinking age...

englebart3-Dec-23 13:21

englebart

3-Dec-23 13:21

Both birthdays put me well above drinking age.

!Salud!

My current libation of choice is Traverse City (Michigan) Cherry Whiskey. Faintest hint of cherry. No tanins.

jschell4-Dec-23 4:32

jschell

4-Dec-23 4:32

That is of course the reason for a fake birthday - to give it out.

englebart4-Dec-23 7:26

englebart

4-Dec-23 7:26

I am afraid I will receive more pharmaceutical advertising if they have either.😊

gratis game

Nelek1-Dec-23 9:47

Nelek

1-Dec-23 9:47

ubisoft is giving "assessins creed syndicate" for free by 6th of December

M.D.V.

If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

RickZeeland1-Dec-23 18:31

RickZeeland

1-Dec-23 18:31

And "Jitsu Squad" is on offer for free in the Epic Games Store at the moment $Shucks | :-\$

Andre Oosthuizen1-Dec-23 22:55

1-Dec-23 22:55

Thanks Rick!!

Nelek2-Dec-23 0:29

Nelek

2-Dec-23 0:29

they do always have a free game changing it every 10 to 14 days, that's why I stopped saying it, one can check periodically.

Ubisoft doesn't do it, that's why I did tell it. That's an exception, not the rule

M.D.V.

Andre Oosthuizen1-Dec-23 22:55

1-Dec-23 22:55

Thank Nelek!

Nelek2-Dec-23 0:30

Nelek

2-Dec-23 0:30

You are welcome.

About the game at Epic... There is always one or two (this week there actually are two) for free, every two weeks.

M.D.V.