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Fair comment. But some soak tests are doing network stuff. So, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. I'd be content with MS pestering me. I'm not sure how MS decides the computer is not in use. Keyboard activity? Mouse? It just makes no rational sense.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out — because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me — and there was no one left to speak for me.
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That's always been a great quote.
I fail however to understand how it applies here.
I am speaking out. Are you saying I should've spoken out sooner?
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You mean Windows servers have UPtime????
I usually reboot them every couple of days to make sure they are actually able to boot again
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hevisko wrote: I usually reboot them every couple of days to make sure they are actually able to boot again
There was a point in time where I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly.
But Windows has come a long way - even consumer editions. It's never had (so far) uptimes as long as it does nowadays, save for hardware failures (which in all fairness, no OS can survive) or bad drivers.
But we're not talking about hardware failures here; we're talking about the OS deciding to reboot itself on its own, without giving you the option to postpone as you wish.
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hevisko wrote: I usually reboot them every couple of days to make sure they are actually able to boot again
Standard large system support.
If one plans on doing dynamic sizing one needs to provide for boxes going up and going down due to load.
Netflix has a running application that takes deliberately takes servers down to test for system reliability. And you can use it to if you want.
Home - Chaos Monkey[^]
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They actually do. I have a Windows server that hosts an emulation system. It can easily stay up for a year or more.
BUT. if you choose to reboot, your decision. If I come into your cube and reboot your machine, I think we're going to have fisty cuffs 
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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On our older (2012 etc) servers, the performance degrades as updates build up until, in the end, you are forced to reboot to keep using the machines (DC, SQL Server etc). I suspect this is a deliberate strategy to force you to update.
Only our desktop Windows machines reboot without warning. My win11 desktop restarted overnight last night, from within hibernation FFS! (Not the first time either...)
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Ah, the advantages of living in an area where the infrastructure (like power and broadband) are... unreliable.
At work the IT gestapo reboot your machine at will, fortunately after working hours. If you are on the company network it will happen. The power can be iffy as well. We have a massive generator for backup power, but it only runs our de-ionized water system. The offices can suck it.
Home is slightly different. Both power and Internet can be unreliable, mainly due to the weather. My town has major outages at least once a year, and minor ones a couple of times.
When I'm not actively using my machines, I've exited all apps except for my mail client (Outlook at work, Thunderbird at home). The boxes can reboot to their hearts content. I've always done this, because it's just safer. I don't see the value in having your development machine sitting there with a bunch of things running, breakpoints set, processes waiting. You're going to leave it like that at the end of the day and expect to remember all that context when you start again in the morning, or after a weekend? You're smarter folks than I am if you make that work. It's funny to me when people bitch about stuff like this when the solution is so utterly simple.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary Wheeler wrote: I don't see the value in having your development machine sitting there with a bunch of things running, breakpoints set, processes waiting. You're going to leave it like that at the end of the day and expect to remember all that context when you start again in the morning, or after a weekend? You're smarter folks than I am if you make that work
You have it exactly backwards.
It's because it's so hard to get it back into that state that I leave it on overnight. There's no chance I'll remember it all otherwise.
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Well my example was related to soak tests where we're collecting data and monitoring app performance. As for the debugger and what not - yes, picking up in the morning happens all the time where I work.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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cardinal or capital?
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: cardinal or capital?
I deliberately chose "cardinal".
Interestingly, searching for "capital sin" on Wikipedia brings me to its page on the Seven Deadly Sins.
But searching on Wikipedia for "cardinal sin" brings me to a disambiguation page - and the Seven Deadly Sins page is one of the targets.
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dandy72 wrote: Surely server admins aren't putting up with this
You can take your computers entirely offline. Then certainly Microsoft cannot be the problem.
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That's not the problem at all. I want the updates. As a matter of fact, I use WSUS, which allows me to approve/reject individual updates.
I installed the updates. Now I want the system to wait for me to tell it when to reboot, even if I were to choose to wait a month before clicking on the OK button on that prompt. Just like the aforementioned 2012 R2 did.
Windows Server used to work that way. It no longer does. That is what I'm complaining about.
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"I want updates, even those requiring restarts. I just don't want the restarts."
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I'm okay with the restarts. I just want to be the one who decides when they happen.
Is it so hard for you to comprehend that previous versions of Windows Server worked exactly that way? And it no longer does?
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dandy72 wrote: I want the updates
That doesn't change what I said though.
Take it offline.
Then the process is every two weeks or once a month, you take specific time to look for updates and do the update.
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You keep your belief system, I'll keep mine.
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On this day, the Intel 4004, the world's first commercially produced microprocessor, was launched
MSN[^]
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
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Quote: At the time, the Intel 4004 really was as influential as the company made it out to be. It had 2,300 transistors, whereas nowadays, the Apple Silicon M3 Max has 97 billion.
Times sure have changed!
As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness".
PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.3.0 JaxCoder.com
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I really don't know.
(still working with 8051-core MCU)
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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My current interest/project is on the Z80!
As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness".
PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.3.0 JaxCoder.com
Latest Article: SimpleWizardUpdate
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Wow, I love it, since the ZX Spectrum was my first computer. I started programming assembly just with the Z80.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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Working with assembly and STM32F411 as a Z80 analyzer or what I call a Z80BusSpy.
The part I'm working on now is a disassembler. Interesting stuff!
As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness".
PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.3.0 JaxCoder.com
Latest Article: SimpleWizardUpdate
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