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Yep, except I also replaced the case, and the mains lead.
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Trigger's broom? Grandad's hammer?
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Same here. I was running my original WinXP installation from when it first came out to 2017, when after multiple Windows upgrades and image moves (with AOMEI, etc.) to hard drives and SSDs, I was forced to do a clean install after repeated refusals to install Win10 botched up my installation. Almost 17 years with the original installation.
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Wait! So you're saying you have a desktop that came with Windows XP (or you did a fresh install of XP on it) and since then (circa 2008?) you've done numerous hardware updates (replacing nearly everything?) yet you've only ever performed Windows updates to reach a modern version (Win 10 or 11)?
That's pretty wild.
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dandy72 wrote: Maybe it's the placebo effect. But I always feel dirty upgrading Windows
I know what your mean.
I used to have a embedded debugging tool for AVR devices and every time I upgraded the IDE I had a problem with the IDE recognizing the debugging tool. It finally quite recognizing it all together and I was forced to buy another device. Now every time I upgrade I cringe!
My eventual solution was to move to ARM devices. 
I don't think before I open my mouth, I like to be as surprised a everyone else.
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I did it twice, once on Ubuntu and once on Debian: the whole system became completely unusable and I had to do a fresh install.
Same ****, different brand.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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den2k88 wrote: Same ****, different brand.
True. I have seen completely borked Linux installs, and I'm much less qualified here to try to recover than from a failed Windows install.
\_(ツ)_/
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dandy72 wrote: and I'm much less qualified here to try to recover than from a failed Windows install.
I hope you did backup your data before upgrading  
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If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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Well, that one borked Linux instance turned out not to have anything of importance. It genuinely didn't matter in that particular case.
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But did you do it correctly and was it using a desktop environment or not?
Jeremy Falcon
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Yes and yes, I've been a Linux sysadmin for years before doing both the afore-mentioned botched upgrades, I was also a senior member of my local LUG and performed dozens of installations during Linux days.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next
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Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh man, I remember the LUGs. I wonder if they still have those meetings. I haven't been to one in forever.
Jeremy Falcon
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Mine split in two for petty politics and I told them (both) to un![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) themselves. Never participated since then.
Consider that when I started using Linux, Mandrake 8.1 was shiny new. I witnessed the birth of Gentoo and installed it from Stage 0. I also abandoned any extensive use of Linux in 2011 and never looked back.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next
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den2k88 wrote: I also abandoned any extensive use of Linux in 2011 and never looked back.
Out of curiosity, what did you move to? Back to Windows? Mac? BSD?
Jeremy Falcon
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Back to Windows. I had bought a laptop with Win7 and had no internet connection + 13 exams to be passed in a year without any excuse.
Well, I discovered that 7 was a beast of stability, no blue screens at all and was resilient to all kinds of software abuses. I quickly got used to it and never looked back.
I had the chance to use Linux for embedded development twice in the past 3 years and it all with renewed fervor, the various developers managed to insert Windows unpredictability in Linux's complexity - having the wifi/bluetooth drivers correctly activated on 50% of boots is Windows 98 levels of idiocy, and 98 was the one that couldn't resume from standby (until the famous 2nd edition. I was there, Gandalf...).
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next
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My experience has been similar. I upgraded 5 Win7 computers to Win10. All worked without a hitch.
Last week I upgraded a Fedora system and a Ubuntu system. The Fedora upgrade was flawless. Ubuntu trashed itself, so a new install of 22.04.3 was required.
I always keep my data on a separate partition from the OS, so there were no other casualties.
But Linux does not have a squeaky clean record on upgrades...
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I run Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS and I've been using Linux for about 3 years now consistently on my desktop.
Updates on Linux are quite a bit less intrusive. When I did a major update to a newer version the system updated in the background while I used the system. It took one reboot and then everything was back.
On Windows you just stare at the spinning cursor the entire time and they are generally very slow.
Also, on Linux I check for updates every day and run them with no problem. That is always painful on Windows.
Also, recently, I've noticed with Win10 updates my machine (a Ryzen R7 with 16GB RAM) will suddenly freeze because Windows deems it is time to run a very heavy process that eats 50% of all CPU so they can download some update.
When it happens they do not warn you or let you know, your system just becomes total sludge. Why do they do that? Because they can. It's obvious they don't really care. If they did, they would popup a dialog and say, "we're going to be downloading the next update so please note that your machine may be slower" and then give you an [OK][Wait For Later] buttons choice. but nothing.
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Here's what I know for a fact, my machine doesn't get significantly slower when downloading updates for Linux. Does for Windows though.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Here's what I know for a fact, my machine doesn't get significantly slower when downloading updates for Linux. Does for Windows though.
Nailed it!!
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dandy72 wrote: I don't know, I can't quantify it--but I can't shake the feeling that an in-place Linux upgrade leaves the system in much better shape than an in-place Windows upgrade has ever been able to do.
It does. It's cleaner and quicker... even with a desktop environment installed.
dandy72 wrote: Maybe it's the placebo effect. But I always feel dirty upgrading Windows
Don't for major upgrades. It's like reusing bath water twice. 
dandy72 wrote: Is Linux truly more apt (pardon the pun) to do a better job of not leaving unnecessary crap behind?
To be fair, apt does have something to do with it but it also depends on the package creators that apt installs. The difference is, on Unix/Linux they're much more strict on what goes where. Not to mention, you typically don't find too many rookie devs making packages for it... like on Windows.
Jeremy Falcon
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Management 5th amendment: "it all depends"
I have had both go swimmingly and both fart loudly.
Recent up date of Debian 11 to 12 wound up in a loop trying to configure the kernel. Had to use Timeshift to go back and remove 2 packages that had patched the kernel, then redo the upgrade. I like to keep my home folders on separate partition, and data on its own as well.
Did an upgrade of a domain controller (CA 2010) and had to start over when it rolled over and died. Fortunately, that was a VM and backed up. What failed? Beats me. We do Windows servers in VM's for a reason.
I think a format/install is best but it all depends on how much stuff you have added and how easy to recover. I also think lack of a registry in Linux makes it easier, but have no empirical data to prove it. Just an old fart's feelings.
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Yeah, the registry's gotta be a mess for an upgrade to process...
Incidentally, I have a domain controller (2008 R2) that I've been needing to upgrade to the latest for...a few years now?
Being a DC, I don't want to restart with a clean install...and I dread the in-place upgrade. OTOH the VM only has that one role, and it's only used to authenticate a few users here in my home environment, very little else. You'd hope the upgrade would be straightforward...
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You'd hope the upgrade would be straightforward...
Shirley, you jest. We went from 2003 to 2008 to 2010 to 2012 and will go to 2019 in a week or two. Most were accompanied by new hardware but the all had VM's and went well with one big exception. As long as you follow the Windows server upgrade bouncing ball, it should go well. Fortunately,
here they have few users/systems.
I helped an accountant's office recover from ransomeware, they were still running Server 2003 SMB. I think they had only 5 users, so I just did a full reinstall. I have recovered/helped recover from 3 events. None are fun but all had very recent, protected backups of at least data. One was weird, they only encrypted office files and pdf's. The pbx system never flinched. Fun filled weekends.
I am now running a domain with a Debian 12 server using Samba for the domain controller. Testing for future.
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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A colleague of mine always did a clean install instead of in-place upgrade on Ubuntu in the early 2010s because more than once burned himself with incompatibilities in Gnome. So, GUI Linux was different.
There is a lot of crp under Linux, too, here and there, as seen personally on a Raspberry Pi after upgrading.
The feeling? Do you have the same understanding of your Linux as you have of your Windows installation? Maybe crp is considered magic on the first, and did not touched.
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Peter Adam wrote: The feeling? Do you have the same understanding of your Linux as you have of your Windows installation?
Good point. No, I definitely don't know Linux as well as Windows. That, in itself, probably explains the bias I have against Windows and don't trust it as much not to screw up an upgrade.
Maybe if I knew more about Linux, I'd come to the conclusion it's just as likely to screw something up. I know it can. I just have nothing to come up with the likelihood of it happening.
As an aside - that Debian 11 -> 12 upgrade went on without a hitch, and didn't even require a reboot. Try that on Windows...
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