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Only when The Old One becomes obsolete?
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Only when The Old One
By The Old One I assume you mean, Lynx[^]. 
Possibly, you mean Netscape Navigator. 
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I never got around to installing Lynx on any of my OpenVMS systems.
I was referring to the browser which dare not speak its name.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: which dare not speak its name.
IE 
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There's only two browsers I've ever commited to:
- IE
- Edge (Chromium-based, I couldn't stand the previous version and ignored it throughout its entire lifetime)
I don't know why people complain about MS trying hard to get people to move from Chrome to Edge. Whenever I visit Google properties, I get as many incessant popups trying to convince me to switch to Chrome. Google isn't any less annoying.
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dandy72 wrote: Google isn't any less annoying.
I use Chrome, but this is 100% accurate. They're both annoying.
Jeremy Falcon
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Amen, brother.
They both tools we use to get a job done. Once we have the tool, let us use it and do said job without interference.
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Quote: I don't know why people complain about MS trying hard to get people to move from Chrome to Edge. Whenever I visit Google properties, I get as many incessant popups trying to convince me to switch to Chrome. Google isn't any less annoying.
Windows is likely preinstalled on their machine, that's why they complain. You only get google popups if you deliberately visit a google site. You get Windows popups just by turning on the machine.
You don't get that difference?
To opt out of google popups, just don't visit certain sites.
To opt out of Windows popups (i.e. switch OSes), you have to change your whole workflow, then do without the applications you previously used which weren't portable, then learn how to use your new OS (good luck if you're moving to MacOS, which has a primitive but pretty UI).
You don't see the difference?
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Member 13301679 wrote: You get Windows popups just by turning on the machine.
Never in Windows have I seen a popup urging me to switch to Edge without at least launching a browser. There's a "Show Suggestions" somewhere in Windows Settings, which has nothing to do with browsers, and is easy enough to turn off and is rather effective at keeping it quiet - maybe that's what you're thinking about (and not turning off)?
Member 13301679 wrote: To opt out of google popups, just don't visit certain sites.
...which is a complete nonstarter if you're using their services and have no say in that (such as your employer mandating their use).
Your suggestion to otherwise switch OSes is comparing apples with oranges.
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I change browsers like I change underwear... which is never.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon said: never
That’s what I expected from 99% of respondents.
I used Chrome from 2010 - 2014 (was on Android phone then too) and then I decided to split up all my apps and I switched from Chrome to FireFox but invariably FireFox has had issues that are pretty critical and cause me to switch to other browsers (usually Brave). I have used Opera and I also use Safari on iPhone, of course.
I’m writing this up from my iPad Pro running FireFox.
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raddevus wrote: That’s what I expected from 99% of respondents.
Yeah, it's the age old... using a browser for work vs tinkering. For me, I do web dev, so my focus is more on building apps than browser searching. As such, it usually takes a lot to get me to switch and even if I did (and they're using the same engine, etc.) I'll still need to make sure a web app looks good in all popular browsers. So, no getting away from it.
raddevus wrote: I’m writing this up from my iPad Pro running FireFox.
Noice. I do like how FF's dev tools deal with CSS grid.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I change browsers like I change underwear... which is never.
OK, I LOL'ed.
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In the wise words of the late lamented Saint Jimmy of Buffett: "Now I'm gettin' old, I don't wear underwear."
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: "Now I'm gettin' old, I don't wear underwear."
Never heard that one, but the first thing that came to mind was, "so, Depends?"
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Er... commando?
Software Zen: delete this;
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Depends on who's asking... 
Jeremy Falcon
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I use Edge and Firefox; often at the same time. At times, FF will render a site better than Edge. FF's "programmer mode" is "cleaner", IMO. I think Google's "Chrome" is "malware", and I removed it. FF also runs better on my (gen 1) Surface GO, on which Edge doesn't seem to scale without "mucking about". FF also has extensions one might find useful and that Edge doesn't support.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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I switched from Chrome a long while ago myself.
Of course, now all these other browsers (Edge, Brave) use Chrome engine anyways.
That’s why I like FireFox - plus FF’s dev tools are very good now.
Back when I was using Chrome it really had the best Dev tools.
Edge probably has good ones too, but I really didn’t like IE so I stay away from Edge as much as possible.
I’ve also used Opera, but had some issues in the past.
I wonder if Opera is better now. Might try it again soon. Not sure if it used Chrome engine like everything else??
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raddevus wrote: Edge probably has good ones too, but I really didn’t like IE so I stay away from Edge as much as possible.
Have you given it a fair chance? I wouldn't be so dismissive of Edge because of IE's history. They bear little in common.
The way I see it, it's "like Chrome, but without having an additional company look at my data" - because MS already has it anyway.
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dandy72: The way I see it, it's "like Chrome, but without having an additional company look at my data" - because MS already has it anyway
I totally get that!!
<Haughty Tone> However, I’m on Linux so they don’t got my data.
That’s A BoldFace Lie I have 3 copies of registered Win10 (one running on laptop, one running on VM (from Linux desktop)) so they got all my data already.
I have not given Edge a fair look, so I need to do that.
However, I do hate the advertisements / news that appears in the blank tab area.
I’ve tried to get rid of it but can only seem to minimize it.
Yes, I could minimize it and ignore it but then I have to actively depend upon self control not to click the clickbait.
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It can all be minimized rather drastically...at least to the point where it no longer annoys me.
I get what you mean by Linux. I wish I could use it as my "real" OS on more of my everyday machines...
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dandy72: Linux. I wish I could use it as my "real" OS on more of my everyday machines...
I’ve been using Windows since Win3.0 and I always loved Windows.
However, as a person who thinks like a hobbyist I started to see what Linux was doing and especially how light and fast the OS tries to keep things.
Then I had an issue with some h/w in 2018 where Win10 crashed immediately.
At first I thought it was the OS bec I was annoyed and installed Ubuntu and it would only crash 1 time a week — yes, it was odd.
I finally determined it was a h/w thing but by that time I had made the switch to Linux.
I still remote to Win10 OS for work…but here’s the thing, the RDP software (Remmina) works way better than Microsoft’s RDP. You can have multiple connections to multiple remote desktops and they are all in one tabbed window. Why doe MS have such a bad sitch with tabs? Always later the game.
Also, in MS RDP you have to be fullscreen to send special keys (think alt-tab) but you can send special keys to remote from Remmina any time you are over the remote window.
Also, Remmina allows me to store my password so all I do to connect to remote is double-click the link in Remmina. On MS I have to provide password & credentials every time. Ugh.
Anyways, there are only two things I can’t run in Linux that I actually use:
1. Microchip studio (embedded s/w dev based on Visual Studio)
2. Steam games (which I’ve already bought under windows os)
but, I don’t do either of them on the regular.
I connect to VM Win10 to do things “locally” and Remmina for work stuff.
I’m kind of amazed because “THE YEAR of the LINUX DESKTOP IS HERE!!!!”
YES, I’M YELLING!!! 
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I use Chrome for most normal stuff like CodeProject,
Firefox for a most of the work related stuff,
Safari because for a specific work activity it is the only browser that works. You have to be on VPN A to access one system, in that system we have links to another application that is what we offer to customers. To access this application you cannot be on VPN A. Used to be you could turn off the VPN and then click the link to the application. That no longer works so you have to be on the page with the link, switch to VPN B then click the link to the application.
And NO MATTER which VPN you are currently on, you are NOT on the VPN you need to be to get the current task done.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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