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In case you're not familiar with Framework Laptop, they allow you to easily open and change things. I thought their original 13.5" screen was too small. They now have a 16" version. Unfortunately for me, it doesn't ship where I live...
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That's cool. Thanks.
Jeremy Falcon
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In March of 2018 I purchased my next 5+ year desktop. I sprung for an AMD ThreadRipper 1900X. I like the idea of the extra cores to run virtual machines.
Two and a half years later it was obsoleted by Windows 11.
Still runs great with Windows 10 which I will run on it towards October of 2025 when mainstream support ends and try again. So I guess it will last me 5 years, it was just dissapointing to be shut out half way through.
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If you mean just not showing on the supported hardware lists, it'll likely work just fine all the same.
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I'm a software developer. Everything runs in Docker, plus I need at least 1 VM (at once) to connect to customers systems. That, plus Eclipse running, I can easily eat through 32Gb+, and on a 32Gb machine, that just causes swapping and terrible performance. Right now, with Chrome, Docker, VMWare and Eclipse running. I'm at 63% of 64Gb.
There's still no way I'd pay 6k.
I've got an HPZbook, 6 core/12 thread i7, 64Gb RAM (comes with 32Gb, added an extra 32Gb), 1Tb + 2Tb NVMe (added the 2Tb), and was (from memory) circa £1600. Only got an Nvidia Quadro, so about the same performance as a GTX1650. Happily plays Far Cry 6 on medium.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: computers getting too expensive?
yes.
So are 3 egg omelets.
pre pandemic: 3 egg omelets, home-fries, toast $8 US.
post pandemic: $15+
pre pandemic: groceries for my family and I approx. $250
post pandemic: $500+ (for the same damn things we have been buying for the last 10 years)
Everything on planet earth has doubled or tripled in price, maybe even more for some things.
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Slacker007 wrote: Everything on planet earth has doubled or tripled in price, maybe even more for some things.
Totally agree man. Seems everything has gone up but salaries and rates. Real talk man, it's time to think about raising mine... which means I'll need to find a new contract, etc.
Yay governments robbing us with a hidden tax called inflation while they line their pockets and lie to us while we're dumb enough to believe anything the TV tells us.
Jeremy Falcon
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Slacker007 wrote: Everything on planet earth has doubled or tripled in price, maybe even more for some things.
It's called inflation. Without that, governments cannot pay their debts.
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My wife wants a new laptop -- she said her current one cost about $600 USD, and that she expects to pay around that.
I told her I would expect to pay about $2000 USD if I ever buy one for myself (I have no plans to buy myself a laptop).
I might build myself new desktop (mini-tower) PC soon, and probably $2000 USD would be about right, but I have no idea now that Fry's Electronics is gone (  ) -- I suppose NewEgg may be in my future.
Edit: My needs are simple, I'm a developer, I don't game, I don't watch video on a PC, I can make do with the on-board graphics just fine.
modified 20-Aug-23 11:51am.
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I'm considering upgrading my GPU (From an ancient GTX660Ti to a RTX 4060), and NewEgg want £10 more than Amazon for the same card, from the same manufacturer ... shipping is free on both as well.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: I might build myself new desktop (mini-tower) PC soon, and probably $2000 USD would be about right, but I have no idea now that Fry's Electronics is gone ( ) -- I suppose NewEgg may be in my future.
A lot of the price is the GPU. Apparently the price gouging that happened during the pandemic hasn't reverted back to sane prices. Probably never will. Starting to think you might be onto something since I don't need the latest and greatest GPU and a desktop gives you more customizability.
Funny thing about laptops... I love them but never really haul them around. Only if I'm changing office locations, but that's not a daily thing. Can haul a tower too.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: A lot of the price is the GPU. Apparently the price gouging that happened during the pandemic hasn't reverted back to sane prices. Probably never will.
Not really. I paid 1015€ for my AMD Razer 6900XT and today I saw the 6950XT (following model) for 599€.
And SSD M.2 have gone way cheaper too. 4TB WD Black 850X PCI4.0 for 198€ and I paid 225€ for my Crucial P5 PCI3 2TB (in an offer)
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Then, I dunno how the price breakdown is. I just know that for the laptop I want, what used to be a $3k laptop is now is $4k for the same thing (high end at the time of purchase).
Jeremy Falcon
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I don't know if Europa vs US has something to do with the price...
M.D.V.
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I have enough monitors, drives (internal and external), network accessories, cases, etc. I can get by with a new motherboard and cpu, for starters.
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Right. And maybe new/more RAM. And probably a bigger M.2 drive.
Right. And maybe new RAM. And probably a larger M.2 drive.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Right. And maybe new/more RAM. And probably a bigger M.2 drive.
"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money".
Certainly, this statement (if Everett McKinley Dirksen ever made it - people dispute that) was not about PCs but the US state budget. And then: It dates back to around 1960. We've seen some inflation since then. (In Norway: A factor of 16 since 1960.)
I dug up some old BYTE magazine for a few random picks. (For inflation factors: Check that up. I used Norwegian factors. Your country's mileage may differ!):
March 1976 - For inflation, multiply by 6-7:
4K RAM - $180, or $45,000,000 for a gigabyte.
Video card, 16 lines, 32 characters (no graphics, grayscale or color) - $230, add $25 for 64 ch/line.
Complete system: 4K RAM (expandable to 8K), 6800 CPU, keyboard, built-in TV interface (16 lines, 21 chars) & CC player interface for data storage. All of this can be yours for just 860 (1976-)dollars!
March 1989 - For inflation, multiply by around 2.5:
Complete system: 386/25 MHz, 1 MB RAM, Color VGA, diskette drive, 101-keyboard, LPT/COM*2 ports, 322 MB disk - $9,099.
2 MB RAM (on board with sockets for expansion to 10 MB) - $1195, or $611,840 for a gigabyte.
16 MHz 80387 math coprocessor - $695.
Logitech Mouse - $139.
Hayes SmartModem 2400 bps - $439.
HP Laserjet - $1750.
Sept. 1995 - For inflation, multiply by 2:
CD burner (SCSI controller included) - $1495.
Complete system: 133 MHz Pentium, 8 MB RAM, 540 MB disk, 15" CRT, 4X CD-ROM, SoundBlaster, speakers, keyboard, mouse: $2499. Add $109 for network interface.
Portable IBM ThinkPad 755CX 5/75 810MB - $6999.
Apple Color Laser 12/600 - $6989.
Tektronix Phaser 540 - $8995.
21" NEC XP21 - $2169.
Pentium 133 CPU - $999.
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I don't ever use my personal laptop as a laptop, so I'm considering a mini/micro PC with all of the hookups so I can just keep using the same monitor and keyboard. Might get an additional monitor since I do use the one on my current laptop. These run much cheaper, as they should, and I'd get exactly what I want without having to build it myself. I am considering putting Ubuntu on it - or getting one with it installed.
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Wow, I had forgotten the pain of "I have to upgrade my computer every two years issue", I use to have. I switched to OSX, WSL, and ubuntu years ago and since they I only had to upgrade about once ever 8 years or so. When I need windows I just run parallels. Say what you want about Apple, their hardware even when running windows lasts.
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The video cards are getting expensive as some mid-range systems. Top end cards are the price of a whole PC from a couple of years ago!
Check out this video to see how ridiculously large they're getting: Testing the Nvidia RTX 4090 - YouTube[^]
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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That video is hilarious. Pretty soon, GPUs will be able to time travel too.
Jeremy Falcon
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In Israel, a Lenovo laptop (Intel Core i9, 64GB RAM, NVidia RTX 4070) sells for about NIS 12,000 (USD 3,200). A 4K 31".5 screen (Samsung/Philips/Lenovo) can be had for under NIS 2,000 (USD 540). You are being robbed.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: You are being robbed.
I didn't buy yet. Fortunately still sitting in my shopping cart. Figured I'd swing by CP first. Will check out Lenovo over here at least to see if I can get a deal. Thanks.
Jeremy Falcon
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Absolutely true! I priced the new 64-core Threadripper and it's over $6,000!
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Time we take up pole dancing, mate.
Jeremy Falcon
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