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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: My proposition was that we should charge them for the extra processing
And yet you said...
"now that most of the tracking and ads have been stripped."
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: I cringe at the thought of how much tracking and analytics must be going on in the unfiltered web. It's truly astounding.
Considering I work on enterprise websites exclusively; it gets even worse. The larger the corporation, you'll have one department wanting one library to get telemetry the way they're used to and another department wanting a different library, etc. Then, everybody and their mother will use some API from Google, font, etc. and these third parties also inject their own telemetry too. It all adds up quickly.
Some of it is useful, like to track users' interactions in case they call the support line. Most of it is just to find the best way to sell you more stuff though.
Jeremy Falcon
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Keep in mind, this wasteful bloat isn't just on the web. I'm leaving names out, but I recall one organization paid something like $60K for an exclusive web font that looked 99.9% the same as a free to use Google Font. And everyone knew it at the time of purchase. So, not only is the look not really exclusive, but they could've also saved $60K. The bigger the company the less they care about "small" amounts like that though.
And you'll be glad to know, they'll be happy to track people to recoup that money back. So, the next time you see a webpage that is sluggish... remember the fonts man. Remember the fonts. 
Jeremy Falcon
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I’ve been using PiHole for a few years. There are currently about 269k domains in the stock/included lists.
Saw your other post with a link to more lists. Looks like I have something to do this afternoon. Thanks.
Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events.
- Manly P. Hall
Mark
Just another cog in the wheel
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Keep in mind that web bloat is happening just on the Internet---It's happening on other things, like commercial TV.
TV now has a standard of 5 minutes of commercials every 10 minutes. Not only do I now have time to go to the bathroom during commercial breaks, I have time to get another beer, drink it and go to the bathroom a second time.
I'm limiting my TV time to 4 hours a day---any more and I'd be an alcoholic.
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#Worldle #513 3/6 (100%)
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"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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I've gone from being "amazed" at some of the code that VS suggested, to "laughing" at its inability to grasp the present context quicker, if at all.
I wonder if there will be laws against making AI feel "bad" when we scoff at its efforts.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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Looking on how idiotic many laws are... for sure. It actually amazes me, that they are not starting to speak about.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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When it works, it saves me loads of typing. When it doesn't work, it amuses me. What's not to love?
I remember raving about this feature a couple of days ago. Y'all thought I was joking. 
There's smoke in my iris
But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids
So I'm ready now (What you ready for?)
I'm ready for life in this city
And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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Have a word with Mr Putin. He seems to like making as much as possible unlawful if not illegal.🙄
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it needs to be done, or I have to scrap my entire project, firmware and all.
I'm writing a bunch of Windows UI code. I hate coding for desktops and servers. I burnt out on it a long time ago, so I like to keep my forays into such endeavors as brief as possible. It brings me no joy, only frustration, even though I know how to do it well. I almost wish I didn't, because then I'd never be roped into doing it.
Worse, this is my own, unpaid project. I'm determined to finish it, but also just sort of upset and overwhelmed because I got ambitious and now I have to code it.
I like tiny devices with kilobytes of RAM. Coding on those is enjoyable. Not so much PCs. PCs can get bent. 
There's smoke in my iris
But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids
So I'm ready now (What you ready for?)
I'm ready for life in this city
And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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I'm working to complete my take-over-the-world project which is a combination Windows service and desktop application. I've been working on it on and off for two years, and there's no end in sight. I keep thinking of ways to make it more and more complicated!
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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If you get stuck let me know. We use a C#/WPF app and several Windows services written in C++/MFC to run our commercial inkjet printing systems[^]. It's an effective architecture for what we're doing. We use TCP/IP sockets for inter-process communication.
This product line started in 2008, and there's no end in sight.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Glad to read that you're doing well.
Any particular reason TCP/IP was chosen over named pipes? Just curious.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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TCP/IP sockets let us have a common communication mechanism with non-Windows equipment, like PLC's, microcontrollers, and such.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Edit:
I'm deleting this as it was ME who screwed up!
Long story short, after updating VS I made some code changes and added a new usercontrol. and then had built the code and see the issue I had previously mentioned.
I was convinced it must have been something I did, so walked back through the code changes I had made in the app, commenting out bit by bit until bingo the problem went away.
What foolish mistake had I made? Well it all boiled down to a recursive paint / draw / refresh loop, that was basically blocking the parent panel from drawing, that appears to explain why it was the controls in that group that were impacted.
Ah well, kept me busy for a few hours on a cloudy day...... 
modified 18-Jun-23 6:51am.
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In VS 2022 (and others)
Help --> Send Feedback --> Report a Problem
or just go here: Developer Community[^]
I would search first if your issue has already been reported, if not, you really need to report it, especially if this was discovered after a recent update.
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I'm not seeing any such problems here: what controls, and what .NET version(s) are in play here?
And do you see the effect in previously compiled apps, or just oned compiled after the update?
I'm currently running 17.3.6, but a quick check says that 17.6.3 is ready to go ... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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It is basic Labels and Buttons that don't show correctly on App Startup, thing is, it is not all of them, only some of them! Plus the listbox not rerendering to include new received serial message (except if i resize the form forcing a controls overlap redraw, I haven't finalised the layout yet, so not locked the form size yet, allowing me to force this overlap condition).
It was with .Net 6, but as a test, I also switch the build to target .Net 7 and then re-built and copied the .Net 7 version across to the target machine, installed .Net 7 when prompted then ran the app and it does the same thing.
This is a new utility App I'm writing for the observatory Dome system, the previous App I wrote for the SkyQualityMeter is still working fine, although I think it was built to target .Net 4.8, can't remember now.
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Are you saying the IDE editor UI is not showing the controls correctly, or are you saying that your running app has issues? Remember, VS is an IDE, not the runtime - they are independent of each other.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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The running app after build and execution.
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Then your issue has nothing to do with the VS version.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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Could it not be compiling differently under the new version following a new build of the App, depending on what all they have changed/included with this release?
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The compiler is specific to the Framework version, not to the IDE.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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It was me all along! Edited the original post with the tldr;
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