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Rick York7-Jun-23 10:26

Rick York

7-Jun-23 10:26

NO. I am not interested in anything some pretentious SFB tells me I should be.

"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

Gerry Schmitz6-Jun-23 12:57

Gerry Schmitz

6-Jun-23 12:57

Quantum computing is analog while in it's indeterminate state (IMO); tweaking it until you get the right "flips".

"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

PIEBALDconsult6-Jun-23 13:41

PIEBALDconsult

6-Jun-23 13:41

And how do you know when it's right?

trønderen6-Jun-23 13:46

trønderen

6-Jun-23 13:46

When I started my IT studies, they were still teaching analog computers in the EE department of the Norwegian Technical University. I believe analog computers were taught until around 1980.

In the 1970s, one of the professors, J.G. Balchen, won a certain international reputation from his simulation models of cod farming in Sognefjorden (Norway's longest fjord). This model was entirely analog: He could feed the cod, harvest it, or try the effect of temperature changes by turning various dials, and watch changes in the curves on the oscilloscope.

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Roger Wright6-Jun-23 16:38

Roger Wright

6-Jun-23 16:38

I'm seriously considering buying that thing. I really enjoyed programming analog computers in college, and though I have little need for solving differential equations these days, who knows what may come up in the future? One of the machines we had in college came off a Navy ship; it was used for missile guidance. All of the op amps were vacuum tube types, and the failure rate was horrendous! Happily the ones we used in class were desktop models which used transistors.

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BernardIE53176-Jun-23 6:06

BernardIE5317

6-Jun-23 6:06

Waiting for Quantum Computing? Try Probabilistic Computing - IEEE Spectrum[^]

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PIEBALDconsult6-Jun-23 6:18

PIEBALDconsult

6-Jun-23 6:18

Don't bet on it.

Heh boss I need $3500 to read your email.

jschell6-Jun-23 5:38

6-Jun-23 5:38

From this article

Apple’s $3,499 Vision Pro AR headset is finally here | TechCrunch[^]

"$3,499...Interestingly, it does appear to be a work-first device. It’s telling that the company is focused on things like email, rather than, say, gaming."

Email causes enough interruptions to coding without requiring me to put on a headset just so I can read a marketing blurb which has nothing to do with anything I am or will be working on.

Also nothing like going to the design meeting and then everyone needing to run to get their computer and headset because the the throw away working design has one diagram that requires it.

OriginalGriff6-Jun-23 6:25

OriginalGriff

6-Jun-23 6:25

There will be enough hipsters to buy all they can make - just so they can view their Starbucks in 3D before ordering an Oleato™ Caffé Latte with Oatmilk just like they did the day before.

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fgs19636-Jun-23 7:24

6-Jun-23 7:24

OriginalGriff wrote:
There will be enough hipsters to buy all they can make - just so they can view their Starbucks in 3D before ordering an Oleato™ Caffé Latte with Oatmilk just like they did the day before.

No doubt...

But did you watch the actual presentation? Or is your opinion of this device based on your preconceived ideas and biases?

OriginalGriff6-Jun-23 7:55

OriginalGriff

6-Jun-23 7:55

Nope, just observation of Apple early adopters in general and looking at the price ... Laugh | :laugh:

fgs19636-Jun-23 7:19

6-Jun-23 7:19

I have no idea if this gadget will ultimately be successful or not. At $3500, I have serious doubts...

However, I actually watched the Apple presentation on it and the TechCrunch author is mistaken. While Apply did present a case for it in business (in a contrived use case as far as I'm concerned) the MUCH larger portion of the presentation was for home entertainment. Movies, gaming, etc...

You also seem to be coming at this from a "we'll put this baby on only for those few situations where it might be cool" point of view. For business, Apple presented it as "you'll use this baby nearly all the time and we can make all your tasks better". For example, open windows are not limited by the number of your physical displays or display sizes. Most devs I know would love more displays... no?

Gerry Schmitz6-Jun-23 13:13

Gerry Schmitz

6-Jun-23 13:13

You can have more windows in your 3D space, but you still have to "rotate" your view, arrange the windows, etc. Same thing, only "bigger". What to do for a keyboard. A mouse? Hand motions? etc.

fgs19636-Jun-23 13:56

6-Jun-23 13:56

Watch the Apple presentation. Parts of it are absolutely silly but other parts are very interesting.

BTW - You can use a real physical keyboard if you want.

jschell7-Jun-23 4:54

7-Jun-23 4:54

fgs1963 wrote:
Watch the Apple presentation

How is it different than existing VR devices?

fgs19637-Jun-23 5:09

7-Jun-23 5:09

I don't use VR nor claim to know anything about it.

Again, watch the Apple presentation and base your opinions on it.

jschell8-Jun-23 6:48

8-Jun-23 6:48

I am basing my opinions one watching the previous marketing videos of other VR set ups. I don't need to watch yet another one (again a marketing video) to understand that market acceptance just is not happening especially in the business space. Nor is it needed to draw my conclusions as to why it is not happening.

jschell7-Jun-23 4:54

7-Jun-23 4:54

fgs1963 wrote:
Most devs I know would love more displays... no?

Not sure about most. Certainly not me. I have two and the second is just ancillary for all work.

It isn't like more screens are not possible now. And it has been possible for a long time. So why is there no gradual increase in the number of screens?

I have only ever seen one developer who had 5. No idea what use he got out of it. But certainly I have been places where more would have been possible yet no one used more than 2.

dandy726-Jun-23 10:37

dandy72

6-Jun-23 10:37

jschell wrote:
Email causes enough interruptions to coding without requiring me to put on a headset just so I can read a marketing blurb

I'm sure their thinking is that you'll already be wearing the headset (doing your coding) when that email comes in...

pkfox6-Jun-23 10:42

pkfox

6-Jun-23 10:42

if you need to wear anything like this to do anything you have a problem

In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

fgs19636-Jun-23 13:54

6-Jun-23 13:54

I knew people who said “if you have to sit in front of a damn screen and keyboard you have a problem”. It’s all relative and times change.

pkfox6-Jun-23 21:06

pkfox

6-Jun-23 21:06

Nothing against change if it's for the better

In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

jschell7-Jun-23 5:01

7-Jun-23 5:01

fgs1963 wrote:
I knew people who said “if you have to sit in front of a damn screen and keyboard you have a problem”

Who? A farmer? A real estate speaker who is trying to convince you that you should start investing in real estate after buying his extra videos?

fgs1963 wrote:
It’s all relative and times change.

But not overnight. Change, despite claims otherwise, is always gradual.
Cars? Gradual
Cell phones? Gradual.
OO programming? Gradual.

And VR claims of business productivity increases are not new.

So where is your evidence of programmers that are switching to using VR for programming (and not programming for VR spaces.)

Or any substantive use in business spaces? For example VR games, porn and real estate online walk throughs have existed for years but none are over taking their business domain space. Do you have an example where it is?

fgs19637-Jun-23 5:13

7-Jun-23 5:13

jschell wrote:
Who? A farmer? A real estate speaker who is trying to convince you that you should start investing in real estate after buying his extra videos?

jschell wrote:
Do you have an example where it is?

I just watched the bloody presentation and thought it was interesting... I commented that the TechCrunch author was wrong that Apple was promoting it mostly as business tool. Take your argument to Apple - not me.

jschell7-Jun-23 5:48