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He's just spinning us a line.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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I nearly fell for it, hook, line and sinker.
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I think that's the original Falmouth, not the Foulmouth.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Hi All,
I need to do some Windows front ends for a project, so put in a request for Vis Studio... lots of questions 'do you need it?', 'does Python do it?', 'Why can't you use VS Code?', 'Can we use the Community version?'...
Turns out the company got in to a bit O bother with Visio not so long ago... 
Think my preferred version 2008, say it still available but downloads a Power Point of it??
modified 23-May-23 6:16am.
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VS2022 Community should work just fine for you, really.
VS2022 Pro if you have a small team and will integrate with source control, etc. (DevOps, Git, etc.).
VS Code is nice to have as well.
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Slacker007 wrote: VS2022 Community should work just fine for you, really.
VS2022 Pro if you have a small team and will integrate with source control, etc. (DevOps, Git, etc.).
Community has the same features as Pro.
The difference is, Community is for students, hobbyists, individuals and small teams.
Basically, five people may use VS in a company that has less than 250 computers or less than $1.000.000 (a million) annual revenue.
If you're bigger than that you need Pro (or Enterprise).
So, Community is fully featured and has all the Git and DevOps tooling you'd want 
From the website:
For individuals
Any individual developer can use Visual Studio Community to create their own free or paid apps.
For organizations
An unlimited number of users within an organization can use Visual Studio Community for the following scenarios: in a classroom learning environment, for academic research, or for contributing to open source projects.
For all other usage scenarios:
In non-enterprise organizations, up to five users can use Visual Studio Community. In enterprise organizations (meaning those with >250 PCs or >$1 Million US Dollars in annual revenue), no use is permitted beyond the open source, academic research, and classroom learning environment scenarios described above.
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Community depends on what you are producing, the number of employees that will use it, and the size of the company: License Terms | Microsoft Visual Studio Community 2022 - Visual Studio[^]
The relevant number is "5 employees using it": Quote: vi. If none of the above apply, and you are also not an enterprise (defined below), then up to 5 of your individual users can use the software concurrently to develop and test your applications.
The company size limit is: Quote: ... any organization and its affiliates who collectively have either (a) more than 250 PCs or users or (b) one million U.S. dollars (or the equivalent in other currencies) in annual revenues
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Just to reiterate what has already been said, it depends on what you're doing. If it's web development or shell scripting, I can promise you that you'll have a much better experience in VS Code. If it's making a Windows app then maybe not, especially if you need a resource editor. But, even for console apps VS Code does just fine as long as you don't mind having to set up debugging, etc. yourself.
It sounds like cost is the primary concern here. If so, and as Sander and Griff had mentioned, you can use the community edition of VS for a small team. If it's a larger team the cost is $1k, which isn't that much for a company with larger teams if you think about it.
Really though, for web development... VS Code is better anyway.
Jeremy Falcon
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I'm still using Visual C# 2010 Express on this thing here. I don't currently have any versions installed on my main PC.
I may have a VS 2008 disc somewhere, and maybe 2005.
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Is he found in literary haunts? He did it, not you! (11)
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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The oldies are the best
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Yeah - I like it.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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As it looks like people don't want to answer it, it's ghost writer.
Literary haunts; well, that's self explantory.
He did it, not you; if you don't write your book, he did it.
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You are up tomorrow!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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I set yesterday's Pete otherwise I'd of posted
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I normally try to avoid because my timing is all over the place visiting the lounge so I can't guarantee posting early enough.
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From 'Daily Insider', Monday, May 22:
deepin Linux V23 can replace Windows 11 on your PC
I read it until sentence 2,
If you are dissatisfied with Windows 11 or macOS, and intrigued by Linux, deepin, a distro from China,....
Well, enough reading this article and closed the tab.
Sorry but I don't trust a Chinese distro.
Behzad
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Not without a full security review of every line in the code.
Which ain't gonna happen.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Not without a full security review of every line in the code.
Direct quote from an acquaintance of mine back in the 90s: "That's the beauty of open source! You can read it and make your own changes!"
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Which ain't gonna happen.
Pretty much my response. I've got my hands full already with my own code and need to focus on that.
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Yeah, very few people are capable of understanding that code, nevermind putting in the time to read millions of lines of complex code and figuring out what each of them does.
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...and then, some bugs are so subtle even experienced developers might not catch them knowing there's a bug and staring at the code.
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And then, do you trust the compiler?
A long time ago there was a proof of concept where someone had modified a gcc compiler to that if it compiled a linux kernel it would insert a backdoor in the logon process, and if it compiled a gcc compiler, it would insert the code that would make the compiler do this.
I wouldn't necessarily trust a Chinese distro any more than I would trust an American distro or Windows or Mac OS or a Cisco firewall.
Imo, if an agency like the NSA or their Chinese equivalent wants in on your network, they have the resources to do so regardless of what you are running.
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Bruno van Dooren wrote: Imo, if an agency like the NSA or their Chinese equivalent wants in on your network, they have the resources to do so regardless of what you are running.
It's also cheaper to just break down your front door.
xkcd: Security
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