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2 of the times were essentially my fault.
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So I'm ready now (What you ready for?)
I'm ready for life in this city
And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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chase it all over
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
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Non-programming questions, but I have some really high level questions to ask.
Here is where I am: Microsoft and Helicopters Joke[^]
Everything I am reading is technically correct, but for elephant's sake I cannot determine what MS is offering. I come from the land of CE and WEC, so I have that perspective.
Charlie Gilley
βThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.β BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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While we're piling on. (Or I am anyway). I just finished up syncing my POS employee schedules with google calendars which was straight forward enough. Then I turned my sights to outlook. The examples on the web to get a service Client was very similar to google and square but as of early 2023 had been replaced with an abstraction layer in Microsoft.Graph 5.x <- (this is more pretentious as the 'Visual' was) that made my head spin. Fortunately for me I could back rev the Microsoft.Graph to 4.5x where thing were more sane and I succeeded.
They aren't happy unless they can make you jump through more hoops. Notice how there are more clicks required to do in win 11 that you would do in 10?.
I could go on but I'm probably wronger than right and crankier than most. 
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MS programmers must be paid by the click.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Okay, coming from an IoT background, I'm curious what Microsoft even offers in that regard, except for that micro .NET runtime (which I don't recommend using)
Frankly, I'd suggest going the route of something arduino based to start out with and then branch out from there.
If there are people adopting Microsoft's IoT technology, whatever it is, they aren't making much noise about it.
There's smoke in my iris
But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids
So I'm ready now (What you ready for?)
I'm ready for life in this city
And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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MS has never been good at hardware going back to the overpriced mouse of ancient times. Figures they would try their hand at IOT.
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Okay, most of my MS posts are sarcastic or evil rants. This is actually an honest question.
I've spent many years developing and supporting CE and WEC7 products. Both were designed to cull out items your application did not need - goal was small footprint. I have CE and WEC7 images that will easily fit on a 256MB compact flash.
Fast forward to today, and about all I can figure out is that there are three licensing schemes. I'm looking at a panel as a replacement candidate, but the vendor ships it with Windows 10 IoT Enterprise etc. GB of used space.
Is it possible to reduce the size?
Charlie Gilley
βThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.β BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Shoot, So you're talking about the old WinCE platform?
It was a thing when I was at Microsoft, but I never worked on it directly.
You said IoT, and I'm usually thinking kilobytes of RAM and flash space, and often sub 32-bit processors.
WinCE is embedded kinda, but I wouldn't necessarily consider it IoT, as it's a bit heavy.
Then again, I could be off in the way I have everything sort of categorized in my head. I don't think of Raspberry Pis as IoT devices either, but rather, small PCs.
There's smoke in my iris
But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids
So I'm ready now (What you ready for?)
I'm ready for life in this city
And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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Fair enough. Where I consult, WinCE has been in use since 2000. I got started with CE 4.1/4.2, the next set of devices used 5.0, and the current device(s) are stuck on Windows Embedded Compact 7. We still have original systems from 2006 in the field.
Most of the people who did application development as well as Microsoft folks are gone. Other careers, retired or... Post on an MS forum CE or WEC7 questions, and I'm immediately informed those products are EOL - please upgrade. Hence looking at options. Your point is valid about smaller devices - we normally spin our own controllers and a few years back rolled out browser based HMIs. No more Windows.
In any event, Microsoft actually calls this Windows 10 IoT. Either type of license still has a large foot print.
Charlie Gilley
βThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.β BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: In any event, Microsoft actually calls this Windows 10 IoT
Now that's just silly!
*points at Microsoft*
*laughs*
Sorry you're going through this. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
There's smoke in my iris
But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids
So I'm ready now (What you ready for?)
I'm ready for life in this city
And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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honey - and I only say that because it's your tag line yes of course.
Charlie Gilley
βThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.β BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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The plot thickens - now I need to look into Embedded Linux. Seems our OEM has abandoned CE as well. Ne real surprise, but I have some learning to do.
Charlie Gilley
βThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.β BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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still hoping someone actual does this with Win IOT
Charlie Gilley
βThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.β BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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