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Your and Derek’s stories remind me of a life lesson from the same era. As a young uni student, I was fighting with an assembly language program and the assembler was giving all kind of strange error messages. Showing the problem to the TA I was working with, he didn’t figure it out either and sent me to author of the assembler, a guy just a few years older than me. He looked at the problem and went: “yes, I see what’s going on, come back in the afternoon for a solution”. In the afternoon, he gave me a single punched card to add to the deck of punched cards that was the assembler program - in those days you loaded the assembler from punch cards - and that indeed solved my strange error. For me the whole thing was almost like magic.
Some time later I figured the error had to do with the evaluation to different values of a symbol during different assembler passes and what the guy did was to make a binary patch that fixed the problem.
Why I say it was a life lesson for me? When I saw that guy figuring out quickly a problem that had both me and the TA stumped, and giving such an elegant solution (a single punched card), the young, cocky me realized there are people much smarter than me in the world and some humility is always in order.
Mircea
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Was it an HP?
HP seemed to love Octal.
12bit bytes/words work well with Octal.
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The company was called Norsk Data (when established: "Norsk Data-Elektronikk", "Norwegian Computer Electronics". The machines were named Nord-1, Nord-5 (the 32 bit ones), then Nord-10 and Nord-50. At the time of the story I told, they were ND-100 and ND-500. Later came an ND-5000, but I don't think there ever was any ND-1000.
The fun thing about octal for the ND-100 is that it really didn't fit the instruction format at all: Most instructions was built from 4 fields, each 4 bits. In the same period, the MC68K was about to enter the market: With 8 registers, 8 addressing modes, always the low bits, only uppermost opcode field was of 4 bits. Yet binary MC68K instructions was always presented in hexadecimal format (unless, of course, the bit pattern was shown - which often was the case).
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The first program I wrote was in machine code using hex notation. I then had to key it in by hand using the buttons on the front panel of the processor.
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I have to deal with a program that has several files, one of which is 88K lines and about 2.5MB. To add to the misery, there are thousands of global variables. We have rewritten most applications based on this but not all of them and it's an on-going thing.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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I was told two extreme cases from the software for the ITT System 12 phone switch:
The largest 'struct' definition (the language used was CHILL, not C, so terms are different) ran to 8300 lines. Printed 72 lines per page, this single type definition would fill a 115 page book.
The linker for this system maintained a symbol export table for each module. Early linker versions used a signed 16-bit integer to index this table, so it was limited to 32768 exported symbols. This limit was exceeded - System 12 defined modules exporting more than 32 Ki symbols. I can understand importing that many symbols, but exporting from a single module!?!
The maintainer of this linker was a university classmate of mine (he was the one telling about that struct, too) told that they made a quick fix, changing the index type to unsigned integer, to allow for 65536 exported symbols. But if anyone can break a 32 Ki limit, they can break a 64 Ki limit, too. So in the next major revision, the index type was changed to 32 bits. Hopefully, noone will export more than 4 billion symbols from a single module 
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Original Pascal had no module concept. All code had to go in a single file.
Open source is not as new as Linux people will make us believe! The Pascal P4 compiler was always freely available. I picked it up as a university freshman and studied on my own alongside working on the '101 Introduction to Programming' hand-in exercises. I'll say that it gave me a head start in programming ...
The compiler source was between 30,000 and 35,000 lines. For quite a few years following, I was really bothered by the upcoming C source file common practice of creating a separate file for every single function: How can you find anything at all in the source when you have to open hundreds of files for searching? Tools for searching across an entire directory tree wasn't very developed then - not until the C practice had become more widespread.
Today we have the tools. We also have FOSS. Even today I am appalled when I have to handle a zillion files, each containing 70-100 lines of open source license/copyleft blurb, followed by a five line function. In every single one of a zillion files!
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Thank you all for replying to my question. I understood that:
a) I'm a wimp for complaining about size.
b) Almost everyone thinks "my (source code) is bigger than yours" - honi soit qui mal y pense 
Mircea
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Around 10 years back, I joined my first company, where I was introduced to a codebase which was in Java/XML, kind of an Android Application. I saw files having 12k lines. It was a nightmare situation for me to even navigate the code and to follow up on a bug we were supposed to fix!
As we progressed through the years, we found lower lines per file, saw IDE limiters on number of lines in a File(Max 1000), saw Coding Architectures like MVX(MVP, MVVM, MVI, etc.) asking us to break up code blocks into smaller more testable modules, saw Testing Tooling and other advice from many asking us to test a smallest unit.
Overall, the experience is a very rewarding, at each step we learnt the mistake we did previously, made amends and then made some more mistakes  and then fixed them in the coming months.
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Sri Krishna wrote: at each step we learnt the mistake we did previously, made amends and then made some more mistakes and then fixed them in the coming months.
Life experience is exactly the same. Nobody know everything from the beginning.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Sri Krishna wrote: at each step we learnt the mistake we did previously, made amends and then made some more mistakes
Experience is the ability to recognize a mistake when you repeat it.
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Hello World is about 10 000 lines of code in C++
Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth.
To err is human, to arr is pirate.
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I don't know the largest file I've ever worked with, but I currently have a project with about a 4k lines file.
It's a VB.NET WinForms file.
The form draws lines and squares onto a picture.
Imagine a plot of farm land on the picture, and the form's functionality drawing the plot's outer edges and separating them into x strips.
That's what it does and all the logic is in that single form.
Unfortunately, there is no clear naming convention, so a variable can be named "square" in one function and a "box" in another.
The form has over 90 fields, which I all have to take into account whenever I change something.
I know the original developer, and he had a lot of trouble writing this, probably because he's very bad at dividing a problem into smaller sub-problems.
Or maybe because he's a real sh*tty developer.
Luckily, it works most of the time, but if it doesn't work it stresses me out and I propose a rewrite.
I think this is the only code in my entire career I dare not touch 
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I'm working on a 17,000 line Python script now and it doesn't feel particularly unwieldy.
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: Got me wondering: what's the largest single source file you ever met?
12 thousands line of C code, without any indentation at all and scant comments.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I think the opposite situation is even worse.
You get some abstraction/interface monkey at the keyboard and you may find yourself jumping through a dozen different 5 line files to get to the actual code that adds X + Y. Tons and tons of code written to handle the unlikely event that your boss is going to walk into your office one day and say, "Hey, let switch from Oracle to SQL".
I understand some vended products feel the need to support that, but they don't.
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MadGerbil wrote: You get some abstraction/interface monkey at the keyboard
Yes. I have a former coworker who was Mr. Object. He took three or more abstraction layers to do just about anything, no function was more than 8 or 10 lines, and it was difficult to follow. Fortunately Intellisense in later versions of Visual Studio (this is C++) works well enough that navigation isn't limited to "Find-in-files, edit, rinse, repeat."
Software Zen: delete this;
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"Abstraction monkey" I like that! Can I use it?
Mircea
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Wouldn't IMonkey be better?
Just to be safe.
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IUnknownMonkey
At least that way you can query it for standard interfaces that are supported as well as the monkey business interfaces.
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I once had to dabble in a Fortran project with over 5000 files. It was mind boggling.
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My rule-of-thumb for creating functions (/methods/procedures/...): If it represents another level of abstraction, then create it. If it doesn't, write it as inline code.
It really is obvious. Yet, I often see code where the programmer obviously went "Ooops! Max line count reached! I'll have to put the lines above this point into a function, and create another function for the remaining lines." Functions representing nothing but some sequence of statements with no common purpose or meaning of life.
Of course this is more prominent with junior programmers. But a fair share of programmers never grow up.
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MadGerbil wrote: "Hey, let switch from Oracle to SQL".
To be fair that actually happened to me. But from SQL Server to Oracle. It took me, by myself, a bit less than two weeks and had no impact at all on any other developer. Customer mandated it. The boss that just delivered the news was rather skeptical about what impact it would have.
There was a very specific DB API although without a lot of layers.
Contrast with the more recent job where the required change from SQL Server to MySQL is closing in on 2 years now. And still not done. That didn't have a DB API layer. It has a mismash of various idioms and misuses of various APIs over years.
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many years ago. I was hired on to take over an outsourced application. The devs for the outsourced app had never heard of libraries or headers or includes etc..
So therefore they had replicated all the various functions and other things that the program relied on into the the top of every file in the entire project.
and they only wrote code in Notepad. Not notepad++ or something decent. Windows notepad.
They also command line compiled the whole thing. (not c or C++) it was this weird complex development of C# and VB.net. And yes you can command line compile and open the thing in NotePad. But why would you.
So I spent my first 6 months just rewritting the entire thing and creating includes and dll's etc.. and putting the whole thing into Visual Studio so it could be compiled.
Oh and did I mention Source Control. Yep implemented that as well.
Largest file was well over 9k lines. When done. I don't think anything was over 100.
I don't miss that job.
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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