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Oh, I'm not really going to smash the printer, and I'm not trashing the printer; it does what it is supposed to do , short of an occasional Wifi disconnect.
What I was trashing was the wording of the email • IMPORTANT! If you do not provide a payment method, your subscription cartridges will no longer work after your trial ends, complete with the underline. Basically, we'll kill perfectly good cartridges if you don't pay the ransom. Not even a "Pay us $10-15 if you want them to remain active".
It is heartening to hear the cartridges will last around 18 months, my last inkjet didn't perform that well.
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yeah, you must have missed my own rant from a few months ago.
Happily printing on a brother duplex laser.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Years ago in the days of Windows XP, I made the mistake of buying a HP scanner. A little while later, Windows 7 came out and I tried to get a driver for 7. HP told me that they will not provide a driver for my scanner compatible with Windows 7. When I asked the HP help desk "What am I supposed to do?", they told me to buy a new scanner! I thought that was excellent advice, so I bought a Canon scanner and took a solemn oath never to buy any HP product again. 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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I had the misfortune of having them as a customer and that convinced me to avoid all HP products. This story adds more confirmation for that decision.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Cp-Coder wrote: Years ago in the days of Windows XP, I made the mistake of buying a HP scanner. A little while later, Windows 7 came out and I tried to get a driver for 7. HP told me that they will not provide a driver for my scanner compatible with Windows 7
Same here. But as 'generic scanner' it worked on linux boxes and then, with Windows 8, magically I was able to use it again. Good hardware, anyway.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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I had an HP prebuilt PC bought my my dad without asking me first.
It had the most obscene hardware I ever saw, including a motherboard with a known faulty north bridge and produced by a Korean manifacturer whose only product ever distributed was said motherboard. And it was grossly overpriced too, considering it costed 700€ in 2006 and it was a Pentium 4 with 4 gb of RAMK.
The graphics card? An ATI, Q series, of which no driver update ever worked and that conked out badly with any version of ATI Catalyst.
My mother's laptop was na HP and lasted 18 months before literally exploding (short on USB got upt to the mobo and fried the CPU), my wife's HP laptop mobo died after 3 years of sporadic use.
Never again.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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You are quite late to the party. I decided to not buy anything from them back in 2004 or 2005 when a Laptop from HP would deny to boot from CDs that were not from HP, so no possible help using tools from other vendors.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Seems this one also is going to be settled, based on an order of the court on 2/7. Barnert v. HP, Inc. Guess it's cheaper to just pay out settlements than redo your business model.
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I've used their Officejet Pro 8600 since 2011 with nary an issue. I do use HP ink, but I buy it deeply discounted, and sometimes slightly expired, online.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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I have to play devil's advocate here : Had to buy a hp printer in the lockdown times for school-at-home, subscribed to hp ink because of the usual "print-once-a-month-and-throw-the-dried-cartridge-away scheme", and I am more than happy about it : I have paid something like 5€/year since then, and my printer is always ready-to-go or I have a replacement cartridge I can use.
The backdraws are the necessity to be online to be able to print, and the hp toolchain for printing/scanning/managing that used to be quite good, and that got recently "upgaded" to a POS.
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Their minimum plan here is $12/yr for 10 pages/month and I'm undecided since this isn't a full time location for me. Either pay $30ish for the cartridges or give em $12.
The question is what happens if the cartridges stop printing before the page count is up? Is it a hassle to get them in that case?
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I have 10 pages/month for free, only pay 1€ every 10 additional pages, which I seldom need. (I think now the subscription is indeed around 1€/month)
You get sent a set of spare cartridges in advance, so whenever yours are empty, you can replace them on the spot. I changed my cartridges one time since 2020, and got new ones (i.e. replacement for my spare ones that I put in the printer) a few days after sending back the old ones.
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HP no longer sells printers; it sells ink by subscription. They should follow the Gillette recipe of giving away the handle (== printer), while selling the blades(== ink).
I have also eliminated HP as a printer source for this reason.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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A few years back I bought a HP Color Laser printer. 
It came with the 4 color cartridges, but they where only filled for about 20 %
After a couple of months the 'Toner Low' message appeared.
I used my usual trick: shake the cartridges and happily printed again for a few months.
Then came the day that I had to order new cartridges.
I was shocked to see that 4 color cartridges cost more than the printer had costed me. 
So I ordered some cheap brand cartridges (half the price) and installed them.
To my horror the printer didn't 'see' the new cartridges and kept instructing me to install cartridges.
In the end, I had to order original HP cartridges.
To make it worse they wouldn't take the cheap cartridges back. 
HP makes fantastic hardware, but their 'lock-in' policy is really disgusting. 
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Personally, I like the Sawzall option.
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I too was initially disappointed by this Instant Ink policy, but after a couple of years I have to say that it is really cost-effective, if you know how to take advantage of it. The key fact is: with Instant Ink you pay per page, not per cartridge. If you print a full-page color photograph it will count 1 page. If you print a black dot in a white page it will still count 1 page. So use your HP inkjet where you expect to use a lot of ink, and get a monochrome laser printer for normal text printouts.
Furthermore, all the ink wasted in clean cycles (a lot of ink!) will be paid by HP, not by you.
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Oh Brother, where art thou?
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I only buy Canon printers. Only had an issue with one, which I returned and had it replaced.
If I can't buy Canon, I would probably by an Epson.
Never liked HP products since Carly Fiona ran the company into the ground and then wanted to do for America that she did for HP...
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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I gave my final HP printer to the electronics recycler a year ago after it mysteriously failed, and got an inexpensive Brother b&w laser printer. Unlike HP's notoriously finicky installation procedure, the Brother came right up and has worked flawlessly ever since. I hear Brother toner cartridges are expensive, but I wouldn't know for sure, having not had to replace mine yet. It cost over $100 to replace the ink cartridges in my HP, and when I looked, the toner cartridge for the Brother is only about $70.
It took 20 years of accumulated anger, but HP has lost my business forever.
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I have a Brother Laser B+W printer HL-2320D series
In Dec I bought toner cartridges from Amazon, package
of 4 for $46 Cdn, or $10 each, brand is Inkfirst TN-660
Works great, I still have 3 left!
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I'll Pay the Postage !
Been thinking of a new printer I have a Cannon MP 560 it has been great 10 or more years
The issue is the ink is now $65.00 which is half of what I paid for the printer
What Cannon do you have or recommend ? I seldom print more than once a month.
Thanks
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My Canon was a steal; it was a floor model of an image class laser at Office Depot. I had gone in to buy $80 worth of HP cartridges and left with that printer for less than twice the price of the cartridges.
At a glance, the Canon Pixmas look pretty good. Best buy has a decent sale on a few for $100 or less. And the cartridge set for some is only $30. I haven't used a Canon ink jet in years, so I can't compare it to today.
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