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is the exact article I was reading...
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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The technology underlying the cloud must be engineered, but the application which is supported by the cloud is not. Though certainly the application developer should still be very diligent about understanding the implications of working on such a surface.
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you want to be a cloud developer, fine. There is no such thing as a cloud "engineer". I interviewed people claiming they were a software engineer, and all they had done was html.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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There are software engineers. They aren't the best programmers because the best software developers use a combination of engineering thinking and creative thought to create beautiful and functional software solutions. Someone who uses only HTML is neither.
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Don't misunderstand me, I don't want to be a cloud developer -- though my boss wants me to be.
Yes, pretty much anyone (though certainly not everyone) claiming to be a "software engineer" is actually an inexperienced software developer with delusions of grandeur.
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Most software 'engineers' I've met aren't. It's mostly wannabe hype. An Engineer has a high level of academic training, upholds professional standards both personal and technical, and has a disciplined approach. It takes a long time to become an Engineer.
Being able to scribble code and know what TDD, DRY and SOLID mean don't make you an Engineer, just as in other fields being able to design a steel beam or fix a car or a washing machine don't make you an Engineer.
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Persons using the title Software Engineer who do not have an Engineering degree & a professional licence (e.g. P.Eng. in Canada) should desist as it is illegal to call yourself an Engineer in many countries without those qualifications. If the relevant governing body finds out (e.g. PEO in Ontario), they will take such a person to court as a matter of policy & the offender will be fined & have court costs to pay.
RB (P.Eng.)
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To me, software engineering is about the discipline of applying techniques to manage software complexity. At a minimum, source code management, unit/regression testing, continuous integration, issue management and where possible, code review. It is much, much more than slinging code, which is what I did for the first 20 years of my career before I called myself a software engineer.
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Persons using the title Software Engineer who do not have an Engineering degree & a professional licence (e.g. P.Eng. in Canada) should desist as it is illegal to call yourself an Engineer in many countries without those qualifications. If the relevant governing body finds out (e.g. PEO in Ontario), they will take such a person to court as a matter of policy & the offender will be fined & have court costs to pay.
RB (P.Eng.)
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more gold. I thought that was The Monkey's. Never been a big RS fan (before my time).
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Talk about a cushy job. Much softer than being a ground engineer.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Actually, it's a funny article!
Starts off with Quote: Each position focuses on a specific type of cloud computing, rather than the technology as a whole
Then the "must-have skills" below is a laundry list of almost every IT skillset.
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Ah, the cloud.
Magical.
SSL connection suddenly fails for 0.001% of our clients, when a recycled node updated the TTL for a cert to 0, to force-refresh all clients. Yeah that won't work.
Best practice?
We should tell our clients to update their network infrastructure, so it supports our cloud's load balacing node recycling scheme.
Our clients don't even know what a router is, so yeah, great advice I guess. 
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Just imagine the confusion, when scientists start to modify weather patterns and start hiring someone that can design a cloud with specific properties.
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And here I thought God engineered clouds!
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Lucky for me, it was just a lot of rain and wind.
People living in the North and and Midwest got lots of snow, ice, and freezing temps. New York has 28 deaths due to the storm, so far, as of today.
I work from home, have been for the last 10 years, so minimal impact to me, thankfully.
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Well, most of us call it winter and a bad storm. If you are the weather media, it becomes a "bomb cyclone", super hyped to drive up viewers, etc.
And, what I find utterly absurd and sadly hilarious, the governor of New York has called the President to ask for a disaster declaration for federal funds. New York, you are welcome said the developer in Georgia. How a northern state has the hubris to declare a disaster from a snow storm baffles me.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: How a northern state has the hubris to declare a disaster from a snow storm baffles me.
I suppose it's the same hubris that gets southern states to ask for Federal funds for hurricanes.
In 1794, James Madison wrote disapprovingly of a $15,000 appropriation for French refugees: [1]Quote: “I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”
The Federal government has come a long way since then, not necessarily in directions that the Founders would have approved.
[1] Our Unconstitutional Congress | Imprimis
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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The founders thought slavery was okay, women were property, black people were practically less than human, etc.
As an American citizen I don't really care what men like that intended, personally.
We're here to grow.
And now I've dipped my toes where they shouldn't be. *hides*
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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when you take from one to keep or give to another it's not growth - it's theft.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Although, I agree with your comment based on other political contexts, I don't think your reply is directly in line with what Honey had posted. You might be veering off the tracks a little on this one. 
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