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All you need to know about HPs crapware stack is that at one point it was bigger than the OS it infected. Rumor is that they were really ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ing mad when microsoft's Vista team outbloated them in '06.
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Dan Neely wrote: All you need to know about HPs crapware stack is that at one point it was bigger than the OS it infected.
Yep. I "experienced" that personally. Well... semi-personally. Years ago, my sister-in-law (against my advice) bought a cheap HP laptop on black Friday. Out of the box she complained about how slow it was. Begged me to "fix" it on Christmas day while at the in-laws. It took me several hours but the result was a decently fast, lean machine.
A week later she called HP support because she couldn't get a USB printer to work. They had her insert the system DVD to run some app and it re-installed the whole bloody mess (and still didn't fix the printer issue).
This time I had her bring me the laptop, printer and DVD. In my leisure, over the next week I de-crapified the laptop (again), got the printer to work and threw away the DVD  . It ran fine for about 4 years before one of her kids poured Kool-Aid into it and let the smoke out. I considered that a merciful death.
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You have to take an historical average.
In the ‘70s, I bought an HP 10c calculator. I was so enamored of RPN that I bought another so I could carry one in my briefcase (we used those, too). I do not remember if I ever had to even change the batteries except once when I was fiddling with it and dropped one of the buttons under my desk. I still use both of them, even for *date* calculations.
And then there is the CP2025 laser I bought in 2008, which has never even jammed.
HP is just making up for accidentally making unprofitably reliable things for years.
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I only use Cannon printers and with one exception, in all these years have had no issues with them. They just work and last...
Since Carly Fiorina destroyed HP, I never considered their equipment...
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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I have owned several HP printers over a lifetime. One I accidentally murdered while trying to clean. That was my fault. A second, perfectly functional HP all-in-one had to be discarded because HP decided to stop producing ink cartridges. You couldn't even refill them because they had a microchip that said how old they were. Another seized up and it cost the same amount to have repaired as to buy another one.
HPs installation software has always been a nightmare. I wonder how my grandma with no MS CS and no 40 years of experience could possibly install one. Ink cartridges way overpriced, and they know it, because they attempt to defeat refilling.
I bought a brother all-in-one b&w laser printer for less than the cost of either of the last two HP printers I've owned. Easy install, zero hassle, no problems in over a year. And (I hear) the toner cartridges are refillable. I wouldn't know for sure though, I'm still on my first one.
Bought an HP computer once. Obsolete the day I purchased it, wouldn't run Win8.
I have finally learned my lesson. The only reason I gave HP so many chances is because their test equipment was well regarded (I used to work for a competitor).
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I'd never buy any HP scanner or printer after they were borking printers that used third party ink cartridges. Just get yourself a Canon scanner (I've got a LiDE 400). It works under Windows and in Linux (I use VueScan software on both OSes).
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HP,
The company I learned to admire back in the 80's, capable of designing and producing amazing test equipment and other outstanding electronic products, turned into a cheap consumer manufacturer after 2000, when they split the business, spinning of Agilent Technologies, lately revranded Keysight.
A truly sad ending for what once was a company to look up to. Speaking about the decadence of the west...
alfyvr
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I think you are underestimating their position as a contender; they are clearly the winner of the stupidity award.
First, I have a problem with the "print from anywhere" sales pitch. Well, maybe it's a great idea, but they should also provide me with a robot that can go to the printer, grab the paper, stick it in an envelope and FedEx it to me. I'd have to wait a day for it, but I suppose they could fax it to me, which would mean I have another printer sitting next to me that I could have printed directly to in the first place. Seems to me the purpose of a printer is to print a hard copy you need to have access to or do something else with. If it's just a 'record' copy, save it and print it when you're next to the printer.
I needed an all-in-one for a second location that I'm at only about 1/3 of the time. It isn't going to print maybe 100 pages a year. I bought the HP because it was hard to justify spending more money for something where cartridges will dry out before they run out of ink. My primary Canon Image Class puppy was a floor model from a big-box and it still has the starter toner in it two years later. If my wife didn't print recipes on it, it would probably never need new cartridges
The loss for them is my $129 junk purchase is going to cost them in future hardware recommendations; not going to happen.
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My button code now works. I went to tear down half of the main logic and when I put just a touch of it back in place, the whole thing came together and it just started working. Who am I to look a gift horse in the mouth?
Anyway, sometimes just putting a problem out in the ether somehow lights a fire under me to fix it. It wasn't the responses that got me there - this time at least - but still anyway, it seems to bake my noodle in the right way such that I overcome my block. 
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Welcome to the Code Project Rubber Duck Forum. Always willing to listen!
Glad you fixed it.
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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DRHuff wrote: Code Project Rubber Duck Forum
As opposed to the Code Project Duck Rubber Forum, which is completely different.
Software Zen: delete this;
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honey the codewitch wrote: put just a touch of it back in place, the whole thing came together and it just started working
Please don't be insulted, but do you understand why it works now? This sort of thing makes me crazy, because I need to understand why something "just starts working". If I don't, I keep waiting for it to fail in some spectacularly bad way and the resultant anxiety is awful.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I've looked at it since, and it's a bit of a rube goldberg contraption but it's not inexplicable.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Let me guess...
the working code is "simpler"/shorter than the buggy code?
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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naturally. 
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Who am I to look a gift horse in the mouth?
A veterinarian who knows how to do a root canal ?
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Sometimes just explaining the issue to a co-worker to get their help will make the solution apparent even before they've had the chance to respond. I suspect that works because the act of organizing the problem in your head to make it clear to the listener also makes the issue clear.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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Hi All,
Jumped ship from my last place to a new role been there a week aquired a virus (not Covid!) spent yesterday in bed shaking and sweating today I'm not so bad, tempature is a little high but... The thing that bother me It's a new firm I don't even know the policy for sickness (how many days we can self certify for etc).
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Couldn't you email the HR person and ask?
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Mandatory: Send an email. Doesn't matter to whom - HR, office manager, your manager etc. Optional: Give your manager a call and ask him for advice.
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Sick of the new job already are you? 
Call your boss and ask!
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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In my opion, you should've visited with HR when the sickness first began.
That way they'd have proof that you are indeed sick. 
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try not to get so sick![Java | [Coffee]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif)
diligent hands rule....
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We still have phones, Glenn. Why not just call ER and ask? It sounds like a common flu to me, but I ain't no doctor.
Will Rogers never met me.
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