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megaadam16-Nov-22 5:04
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Kirk 1038982117-Nov-22 11:04
Kirk 1038982117-Nov-22 11:04 
Wow, yeah, I've been in those environments (luckily not for long).

We had a situation where for 2-3 months, I literally had 80% of a 3 person teams productivity.
(One guy was useless), I was pounding UNPAID overtime in. Amazing what an extra GOOD hour adds up to, each week.

Then the owner sat us down, was needing an estimate on man-hours to bring a new business online...
We gave him the number... Like 800 man-days (excluding our current work getting done).

He looked around the table, and and saw 5 people (3 Devs, 2 managers) and said so if we bring in 3 more people, we can have this in 100 days... (as if 100 days was 100 work days, as IF managers were programmers, as IF new developers would be useful...)

I stood up and said. Come to think of it. If you hired 100 people, you could have it in about a week! Problem solved. And I walked out of the meeting. Went back to work.

My manager called me in his office and said "You know that meeting wasn't over?"... "For me, it was!" I replied. That level of AI (Arrogance + Ignorance) should not be tolerated!

==> For the estimates. I usually push back with:
How much is this worth in Developer Hours?
At which number of Hours should we NOT do this?
THEN I ask them what their estimate is (it's useless, but I can usually point out...
Any change to the system requires like 4hrs, just to get it through testing and published, updating docs, scheduling downtime. And that's to change the VERSION #... LOL).

Most of the time, they are just not educated as to how hard it is to do our jobs.
They have no idea what we do.

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