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Quote: Why are we here, and I mean absent some sort of artifice we create to rationalize our existence?
Well, the answer to that has to be individual. Why are you here? Why am I here? We'll get two different answers. And I don't mean philosophical answers.
For example, "I'm here" (in the sense of being present and accounted for) because I want to make a contribution in some way. Code Project articles. A book I'm writing with a friend. Simply a really good conversation with a friend, or a stranger, that makes a difference, however small, in each of our lives.
honey the codewitch wrote: As a species, what are we really trying to accomplish, other than base continuation?
Even that is leads to an individual answer. I have certain spiritual convictions that tell me why. Others have equally valid answers, or no answer at all other than "well, I was born." That's valid too, IMO.
The problem with philosophical discussion is that it pretty much stays in the realm of the abstract. As Steiner said: "All genuine philosophers have truly been artists in concepts." I'm not really interested in the artistry of philosophical concepts, rather I'm interested in each of our individual reasons.
So, why are you here? 
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That one's easy. What drives me is to create. I build things. I'd do it whether I was getting paid or not. Been doing it one form or another since I was 6. I could have easily been a fabricator, in a parallel life. That's not just vocation you understand. It's what moves me. It's what gets me out of bed, a lot of times.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Well said.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Perhaps foremost: to experience life. When you become bored with just that, I believe we are here to learn how to be better creators. Political systems, religions, mechanical devices, etc. I think we are at an inflection point where more people realize that our old creations in these fields could be improved quite a bit. At least I hope so, but depression arises from all the negativity I've seen over the past few years. So there's that experience to temper my hopes.
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honey the codewitch wrote: philosophical...i don't want to get hung up on that: Is it really any different than your personal death? We are so attached to the idea of projecting ourselves into the future vicariously through The Child
Do you have any children?
It certainly becomes much less philosophical when one does for most people.
honey the codewitch wrote: Why are we here, and I mean absent some sort of artifice we create to rationalize our existence?
Hmmm...if only there was a field of study with a more than 2000 year history that existed mostly and fundamentally with the goal of answering that...
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jschell wrote: Do you have any children?
It certainly becomes much less philosophical when one does for most people.
That's why I mention "The Child" which is symbolic of the future generations of us upon which we pin our hopes.
jschell wrote: Hmmm...if only there was a field of study with a more than 2000 year history that existed mostly and fundamentally with the goal of answering that..
Well, if I catch your drift, it hasn't really borne fruit in terms of uniting us around a common greater goal or anything. If anything, it has divided us.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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honey the codewitch wrote: That's why I mention "The Child" which is symbolic of the future generations of us upon which we pin our hopes.
No that is philosophical. I am talking about actual real children. Then the future is about them and not philosophy.
honey the codewitch wrote: Well, if I catch your drift, it hasn't really borne fruit in terms of uniting us around a common greater goal or anything. If anything, it has divided us
You mean religion?
No I was talking about the study of philosophy.
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I've fostered, but not had any of my own and before you talk about how it was different, I myself am adopted. And I think you're missing my point. Your attachment to your children is what "The Child" is ultimately about.
jschell wrote: Then the future is about them and not philosophy.
As long as humans are capable of metacognition, there will always be philosophy. Furthermore, why code? Why not just have kids? That's how this reads to me.
jschell wrote: No I was talking about the study of philosophy.
Yeah I misunderstood you.
If you'll forgive me you read as though you've got some hang ups around philosophy. You seem awfully averse to even talking about it, which kinda makes me wonder about you participating in the first place, no offense.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Your attachment to your children is what "The Child" is ultimately about.
I doubt it.
It is easy to wax rhetorically in a college classroom about when one is young without children. But the experience of actually having them is quite a bit different. Both in a positive way and a negative way.
The discussion that one might have with society and the responsibility of society to children is far different when one actually has specific children on which there is an impact.
honey the codewitch wrote: why code? Why not just have kids? That's how this reads to me.
No I didn't say that.
honey the codewitch wrote: hang ups around philosophy. You seem awfully averse to even talking about it, which kinda makes me wonder about you participating in the first place, no offense.
Or it could be that I realize that there is a vast amount of literature that already exists that discusses the very broad issue that you attempted to bring up here. And that for me or anyone to attempt to address it in a single simple post would be perhaps futile, arrogant and definitely ignorant.
But if you do want to know more about the subject then start buying books, quite a few of them, which do attempt to capture parts of the same discussion that has been going on for a very long time.
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Deleted my prior message because upon further reflection, you're not the kind of person I want to argue with.
About pretty much anything.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Deleted my prior message because upon further reflection, you're not the kind of person I want to argue with.
That sort of statement is going to be generally counterproductive in learning anything in the vast philosophy educational space.
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jschell wrote: Hmmm...if only there was a field of study with a more than 2000 year history that existed mostly and fundamentally with the goal of answering that...
Yeah, I do recommend the study of science.
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IMHO The Purpose of Existence is to Evolve. Personally and as a Species and hopefully have some fun along the way i.e. e.g. pascalina pizza , stale potato chips , stale Cheetos , a Magnum Dynalab / Harbeth system , Star Wars spin-offs to wit "The Mandalorian as Clint Eastwood" , write Great Code , learn Advanced Mathematics / Physics , learn to play Chopin Preludes , learn to draw like DaVinci - Cheers
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If you ask biology, aka. 'nature': Our purpose is to create new life. Offspring.
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I'm actually asking more if that base drive is really all we should rally around, or are we approaching a point where we might be able to do better than simply survival? What about a common goal, aside from procreation. Something that drives us forward into the future as a species, other than "The Child"
Right now, short of an external, existential threat we face as a species, I don't think it's possible. But maybe it's something we should aspire to. I don't know.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Greetings Kind Regards I believe I settled the question once and for all link below. Perhaps you missed it or disagree. Again Evolution Personal and as Species and of course stale potato chips - Best
The Lounge[^]
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That might be, but for me this was an exercise in hearing the thoughts of a lot of different people. In part it helps me draw a bead on how different people see the world and our role in it.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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As people on here already mentioned, I'm here and I'm just trying to enjoy the ride.
Unfortunately, life comes with a fair share of drama, even one as privileged as mine (and I've had a share of drama just last month).
As to why we're here in the first place: chance (wouldn't want to call it luck).
There's no bigger picture, no god(s), no plan, nothing after death.
As for the procreation part, I don't want kids, never wanted them and never will (but I can still get them as far as I know).
Hopefully, my family name will die with me because if it doesn't I had "an accident" and I don't want that.
Luckily, my personality is some sort of natural built-in birth control  / 
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and here I thought you were waxing a body part I've never heard of...
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Great, I heard urine trouble but I'm glad to hear it's been cleared out.
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Yes, the pressure is down again.
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Great. The post-hospitalization care is important.
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My wife suffers from that. My daughter had one that went septic and almost died from it.
Take care and keep safe.
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